[meteorite-list] Moroccan lies form the French people.

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From: Mike Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:42:00 2004
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This makes me SICK! Franco, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I am just back from my
4th trip to Morocco. Let me tell everyone on this list the truth. THESE
FRENCH ARE ALL buying meteorites in Morocco. I have been there enough to
see what is happening. THEY ARE ALL lying to us. They have been for
years. How do you think that this large market has formed over there.
Bruno Fectay is now angry that I just bought an incredible oriented
bullet shaped one kilo achondrite. He has been trying to get us in
trouble in Morocco since almost two weeks ago when he found out we were
there. They are pissed off at the perceived intrusion into "their"
territory. Franco wont leave well enough alone. We are not the ones
lying through our teeth. I have yet to find a meteorite in Morocco.
Someday maybe, but not yet, nor have I said I have found any. All of the
others though seem to only find their meteorites. WHAT CRAP!!!!!
I have been told by EVERYONE there that ALL of the FRENCH dealers BUY
meteorites there, Bruno and Carine Fectay, Marc, Luc, and Jim Labenne,
Franco, and all others have bought and sold meteorites from the sellers
there, most tell the truth about where they got them, some do not.
 Franco, stop with this " holier than though %##$ ^E$%$# and back
off" It is getting old. The French started the whole Morocco fiasco,
the Americans and Canadians are simply branching out there. So go whine
to your countrymen about the mess that they started.
I warn any people that want to go to Morocco that certain French people
are now trying to cause problems with customs for any Americans that go
for meteorites to Morocco.
This is starting to piss me off just a tad Bruno, watch out or the
problems can be started here in Tucson too. This is my turf, if you
want to get me in trouble in Africa, I assure you that I can play the
same game here.

PS, I had the priveledge of watching the full Lunar eclipse from the
Sahara Desert, I didnt even know that it was coming, but it sure was awe
inspiring. Holding meteorites and looking up as the moon grew red and
dark, the stars brightened, the wind blew....... Wonderful.

Michael Farmer
Meteorite HUNTER, BUYER, SELLER, and everything in between.
Have a nice day!

Michael Cottingham wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Cottingham
> To: wanadoo ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday,
> January 10, 2001 6:10 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE
> PART FOUR Last One
> Franco & All, Franco. I was hunting meteorites in Mexico,
> Chile,Boliva, Arizona, New Mexico, Kansas, Texas, andNebraska long
> before you ever saw your firstmeteorite. What the hell is your
> problem! If you want to attack me in public about sellingNWA
> meteorites you better know your facts.I have been hunting meteorites,
> years before youever thought of doing such. NWA meteorites are what
> they are and I don'tsell them pretending to be anything else.I think
> everyone on this side of the oceanknows that we buy them over there!
> Get a life.Shut your mouth. Know your facts. Who the hell are you? I
> hunt meteorites!I collect meteorites! I buy meteorites! I
> sellmeteorites! Your wasting my time. Next time yourefer to me in an
> email you better know whatthe hell you are talking about. Best
> Wishes Michael Cottingham
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wanadoo
> To: Michael Cottingham ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last
> One
> Michael I read your post, Nice talk. You want to have fun
> selling unclassified meteorites. NO WAY. On this list,
> everybody knows that I am against NWA. And that I will react
> each time some retailers try to change a nice passion into a
> basic business. Last year I had hard talks with XOXOXO,
> Yuk.( BTW happy comeback MC. I really think that we all
> missed you. You were drastic in business, funny in posts and
> firm on your positions) But at last I regret that he is not
> as active as before on the list. he represented the hard
> sale, to my eyes. This year, its is really worse. I do not
> like the way that some present the game and mislead people,
> particularly newbees. Sorry man, buying meteorites in
> Morocco is not hunting. You are a retailer. Sorry again for
> all of you guys who hunt themselves for mets and stay
> silent. This Micheal is not a hunter. All hunters will
> agree.Hunting is a clean job: hunters are alone in front of
> large bare lands, not dealing 55 gallons drums of nowhere
> stones in market place backshops. There are still amateurs
> of meteorites. Amateurs is a french word which comes from
> aimer ( to love). an amateur is someone who loves what he
> does. How can you love meteorites when you try to have
> customers gambling on a possible lunar in you stock.
> Meteorites do not deserve your lotery. Hunting on the field
> is a lotery, because no one knows what will be the next
> find. But nobody pyas for it except the hunter. Buying
> second hand 55 gallons drums when all the " souk" buyers
> have taken their first choice is not offering any chance to
> any collectors. Even for a hundred bucks. It is misleding
> them. And I wait for your true agruties to explain where is
> the chance to receive some valuable meteorite in a stock
> visited by all the retailers that live on our
> planet. Offer true first hand material. And the only way to
> be sure of meteorite origin is to pick them up yourself from
> the ground.But as I said last year, truth is hard to tell,
> but much easier than any pseudo omission. Have them
> analysed, find really where they come from, cross the
> border, go to Algeria, to Mauritania, bring back true
> photos, GPS positions and stop the NWA game. So long, Shame
> on NWAs and on all involved in them. True best wishes to
> authentic hunters. They will recognize
> themsleves. FRANCO ----Message d'origine-----
> De : Michael Cottingham <mikewren_at_gilanet.com>
> À : meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Date : mercredi 10 janvier 2001 23:17
> Objet : [meteorite-list] METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last One
>
>
> MICHAEL COTTINGHAM METEORITESPO BOX 727SILVER
> CITY, NEW MEXICO88062 505-535-2307 Cellular:
> 505-590-1542
>

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This makes me SICK! Franco, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I am just back from my 4th
trip to Morocco. Let me tell everyone on this list the truth. THESE FRENCH
ARE ALL buying meteorites in Morocco. I have been there enough to see what
is happening. THEY ARE ALL lying to us. They have been for years. How do
you think that this large market has formed over there. Bruno Fectay is
now angry that I just bought an incredible oriented bullet shaped one kilo
achondrite. He has been trying to get us in trouble in Morocco since almost
two weeks ago when he found out we were there.  They are pissed off
at the perceived intrusion into "their" territory. Franco wont leave well
enough alone. We are not the ones lying through our teeth. I have yet to
find a meteorite in Morocco. Someday maybe, but not yet, nor have I said
I have found any. All of the others though seem to only find their meteorites.
WHAT CRAP!!!!!
 I have been told by EVERYONE there that ALL  of the FRENCH dealers
BUY meteorites there, Bruno and Carine Fectay, Marc, Luc, and Jim Labenne,
Franco, and all others have bought and sold meteorites from the sellers
there, most tell the truth about where they got them, some do not.
     Franco,  stop with this " holier than though
%##$ ^E$%$# and back off" It is getting old.  The French started the
whole Morocco fiasco, the Americans and Canadians are simply branching
out there. So go whine to your countrymen about the mess that they started.
 I warn any people that want to go to Morocco that certain French people
are now trying to cause problems with customs for any Americans that go
for meteorites to Morocco.
 This is starting to piss me off just a tad Bruno, watch out or the
problems can be started here in Tucson too. This is my turf,  if you
want to get me in trouble in Africa, I assure you that I can play the same
game here.
PS, I had the priveledge of watching the full Lunar eclipse from the
Sahara Desert, I didnt even know that it was coming, but it sure was awe
inspiring. Holding meteorites and looking up as the moon grew red and dark,
the stars brightened, the wind blew....... Wonderful.
Michael Farmer
 Meteorite HUNTER, BUYER, SELLER, and everything in between.
 Have a nice day!
Michael Cottingham wrote:
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black">From: <a href="mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com" title="mikewren@gilanet.com">Michael
Cottingham</a></div>
To: <a href="mailto:mich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr" title="mich-franco@wanadoo.fr">wanadoo</a>
; <a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com" title="meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a>Sent:
Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:10 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
METEORITE SALE PART FOUR Last One</div>
 Franco & All, Franco. 
I was hunting meteorites in Mexico, Chile,Boliva,
Arizona, New Mexico, Kansas, Texas,  andNebraska
long before you ever saw your firstmeteorite. 
What the hell is your problem! If
you want to attack me in public about sellingNWA
meteorites you better know your facts.I
have been hunting meteorites, years before youever
thought of doing such. NWA
meteorites are what they are and I don'tsell
them pretending to be anything else.I
think everyone on this side of the oceanknows
that we buy them over there!  Get a life.Shut
your mouth. Know your facts. Who
the hell are you?  I hunt meteorites!I
collect meteorites! I buy meteorites!  I sellmeteorites! Your
wasting my time.  Next time yourefer
to me in an email you better know whatthe
hell you are talking about. Best
Wishes Michael Cottingham 
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<div
 style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
<a href="mailto:mich-franco_at_wanadoo.fr" title="mich-franco@wanadoo.fr">wanadoo</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <a href="mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com" title="mikewren@gilanet.com">Michael
Cottingham</a> ; <a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com" title="meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:28
AM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE
SALE PART FOUR Last One</div>
 Michael I read your post,
Nice talk. You want to have fun selling unclassified meteorites. NO
WAY.  On this list, everybody knows that I am against NWA. And that
I will react each time some retailers try to change a nice passion into
a basic business. Last year I had hard talks with XOXOXO, Yuk.( BTW happy
comeback MC. I really think that we all missed you. You were drastic in
business, funny in posts and firm on your positions) But at last I regret
that he is not as active as before on  the list. he represented the
hard sale, to my eyes. This year, its is really worse. I do not like the
way that some present the game and mislead people, particularly newbees.  Sorry
man, buying meteorites in Morocco is not hunting. You are a retailer. Sorry
again for all of you guys who hunt themselves for mets and stay silent.
This Micheal is not a hunter. All hunters will agree.Hunting
is a clean job: hunters are alone in front of large bare lands, not dealing
55 gallons drums of nowhere stones in market place backshops. There
are still amateurs of meteorites. Amateurs is a french word which comes
from aimer ( to love). an amateur is someone who loves what he does. How
can you love meteorites when you try to have customers gambling on a possible
lunar in you stock. Meteorites do not deserve your  lotery. Hunting
on the field is a lotery, because no one knows what will be the next find.
But nobody pyas for it except the hunter. Buying second hand 55 gallons
drums when all the " souk" buyers  have taken their first choice is
not offering any chance to any collectors. Even for a hundred bucks. It
is misleding them. And I wait for your true agruties to explain where is
the chance to receive some valuable meteorite in a stock visited by all
the retailers that live on  our planet. Offer 
true first hand material. And the only way to be sure of meteorite origin
is to pick them up yourself from the ground.But as I said last year, truth
is hard to tell, but much easier than any pseudo omission. Have
them analysed, find really where they come from, cross the border, go to
Algeria, to Mauritania, bring back true photos, GPS positions and stop
the NWA game. So long, Shame
on NWAs and on all involved in them. True
best wishes to authentic hunters. They will recognize themsleves. FRANCO     ----Message
d'origine-----
 De : Michael Cottingham <<a href="mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">mikewren@gilanet.com</a>>
 À : <a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a>
<<a href="mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com</a>>
 Date : mercredi 10 janvier
2001 23:17
 Objet : [meteorite-list] METEORITE
SALE PART FOUR Last One
  
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COTTINGHAM METEORITESPO
BOX 727SILVER CITY, NEW
MEXICO88062 505-535-2307 Cellular: 
505-590-1542                </blockquote>
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