[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Fraud...A good story....
From: Michael Cottingham <mikewren_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:42:05 2004 Message-ID: <013801c08656$a1db7f00$c7daead8_at_hppav> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0135_01C0861B.F4D654E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, God could tell them apart!=20 I think you miss the whole point. Best Wishes Michael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Heitz=20 To: Michael Cottingham ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Meteorite Fraud...A good story.... NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL,if they were not irons.=20 Right? Tim Heitz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Cottingham=20 To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Fraud...A good story.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Cottingham=20 To: mikewren_at_gilanet.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Meteorite Fraud...A good story.... Hello Everyone, Check this out! When I was in Morocco buying meteorites there was an interesting event that occured. One day in Erfoud, Morocco my partner (Mike Farmer) and I went to a man's house to check out his collection of meteorites. Our guide kept telling us that he had a cool new iron meteorite and that we should see it. Well.....he showed us his iron and Farmer and I looked at each other, we looked at the = iron again......and it took us both about 2 seconds to realize we were looking at an old rusty Campo del Cielo from Argentina. Even though they had been telling us it was from the Sahara....THERE WAS NO DOUBT that we were looking at a Campo. We were pissed off and we told them if they ever tried that again we would not be buying any thing from them. They just laughed and laughed. They got caught! We went to another house about an hour later and sure enough the same damn thing happened again! This time the old man in the house pulled out a box and in this box was a rusty, rusty old NANTAN! Twice in one day! =20 We traced all these meteorites back to a fossil dealer who comes to Tucson every year. These irons, which were not Sahara Irons were most likely bought in Tucson and transported back to Morocco to sell as Sahara Irons. Now that is the opposite of what everyone is talking about! What saved us from being caught up in a scam was our knowledge base. Both Farmer and myself have seen hundreds of kilos of Campo's and Nantan's. We were not suckered into this because we had known what we were looking at. I don't have a ready answer about the possible fraud that can take place with a possible relocation of the NWA meteorites. But it seems to me THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE MADE THE NON LOCATION OF NWA METEORITES SUCH AN ISSUE HAVE CREATED THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. I mean you whine about NWA Meteorites because they don't have a = location and then you worry about the fact that someone might want to give them one. = YOU HAVE CREATED THIS. If you would just accept the fact that these NWA = Meteorites exist without known locations and give them the credibility that they = deserve, THEN maybe you might not loose so much sleep about people giving them a = known location. IT IS A FACT! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT. NWA METEORITES DO = NOT HAVE A KNOWN LOCATION. THE MOROCCAN's and others will have hundreds = of kilos for sale in Tucson. There are hundreds of more kilos in = Morocco and you will never DOCUMENT ALL. NEVER. Now if you just accept this fact that they (NWA) meteorites don't = have locations then maybe you can avert a problem before it even begins. Stop sprouting = so much hate against a single group of meteorites and maybe people will never = even think or relocating them. =20 I mean some of you folks take this whole issue way, way too serious. = =20 Those who get caught relocating these meteorites will pay a high and = dear price. Do not worry about that. When caught......I say when, because they = will get caught. There are many people who have the experience to detect = such events and there is no way they really could get away with it .....for = long! Just accept the fact that NWA meteorites exist without known = location and maybe, just maybe, everyone else will too and the coming and going of these = meteorites will be legitimate enough, so that people will not be driven to = consider relocating them because somehow they feel that as NWA meteorites...they are not = good enough! You know, I thought I would never live to see the day when = MOROCCAN'S would=20 relocate meteorites from other parts of the world to their own = country!!!!! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham ------=_NextPart_000_0135_01C0861B.F4D654E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tim,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>God could tell them apart! = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think you miss the whole = point.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best Wishes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmidwestmeteor_at_earthlink.net=20 href=3D"mailto:midwestmeteor_at_earthlink.net">Tim Heitz</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com=20 href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">Michael Cottingham</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 24, = 2001 3:31=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Meteorite Fraud...A = good=20 story....</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL,if they were not irons. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Right?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tim Heitz</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com = href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">Michael=20 Cottingham</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 24, = 2001 2:59=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] Fw: = Meteorite=20 Fraud...A good story....</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20 <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> = <A=20 title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com = href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">Michael=20 Cottingham</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dmikewren_at_gilanet.com=20 href=3D"mailto:mikewren_at_gilanet.com">mikewren@gilanet.com</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:58 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Meteorite Fraud...A good story....</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Everyone,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Check this out!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When I was in Morocco buying = meteorites there=20 was</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>an interesting event that = occured. One=20 day in Erfoud,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Morocco my partner (Mike Farmer) = and I went to=20 a</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>man's house to check out his = collection of=20 meteorites.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our guide kept telling us that he = had a cool=20 new iron</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>meteorite and that we should see = it.=20 Well.....he showed</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>us his iron and Farmer and I looked = at each=20 other, we looked at the iron again......and it took us both=20 about</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 seconds to realize we were = looking at an old=20 rusty</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Campo del Cielo from = Argentina. Even=20 though they</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>had been telling us it was from the = Sahara....THERE</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WAS NO DOUBT that we were looking = at a=20 Campo.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We were pissed off and we told them = if they=20 ever</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tried that again we would not be = buying any=20 thing from them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They just laughed and = laughed. They got=20 caught!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We went to another house about an = hour later=20 and</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sure enough the same damn thing = happened=20 again!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This time the old man in the house = pulled=20 out</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a box and in this box was a rusty, = rusty old=20 NANTAN!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Twice in one day! = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We traced all these meteorites back = to a fossil=20 dealer</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>who comes to Tucson every = year. These=20 irons, which</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>were not Sahara Irons were most = likely bought=20 in Tucson</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and transported back to Morocco to = sell as=20 Sahara Irons.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now that is the opposite of what = everyone is=20 talking about!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What saved us from being caught up = in a scam=20 was our knowledge base.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Both Farmer and myself have seen = hundreds of=20 kilos of Campo's and</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nantan's. We were not = suckered into this=20 because we had known</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what we were looking = at.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't have a ready answer about = the possible=20 fraud that can take</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>place with a possible relocation of = the NWA=20 meteorites.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But it seems to me THOSE OF YOU WHO = HAVE MADE=20 THE NON LOCATION</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OF NWA METEORITES SUCH AN ISSUE = HAVE CREATED=20 THIS IN THE<BR>FIRST PLACE.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I mean you whine about NWA = Meteorites because=20 they don't have a location and then</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you worry about the fact that = someone might=20 want to give them one. YOU HAVE</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CREATED THIS. If you = would just=20 accept the fact that these NWA Meteorites exist</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>without known locations and give = them the=20 credibility that they deserve, THEN</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>maybe you might not loose so much = sleep about=20 people giving them a known location.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IT IS A FACT! YOU ARE = NOT GOING TO=20 CHANGE IT. NWA METEORITES DO NOT</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HAVE A KNOWN LOCATION. THE = MOROCCAN's and=20 others will have hundreds of</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>kilos for sale in Tucson. = There are=20 hundreds of more kilos in Morocco and you will</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>never DOCUMENT ALL. = NEVER.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now if you just accept this fact = that they=20 (NWA) meteorites don't have locations then</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>maybe you can avert a problem = before it even=20 begins. Stop sprouting so much hate</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>against a single group of = meteorites and maybe=20 people will never even think or</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>relocating them. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I mean some of you folks take = this whole=20 issue way, way too serious. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Those who get caught relocating = these=20 meteorites will pay a high and dear price.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do not worry about that. When = caught......I say=20 when, because they will get</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>caught. There are many people = who have=20 the experience to detect such events</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and there is no way they really = could get away=20 with it .....for long!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just accept the fact that NWA = meteorites exist=20 without known location and maybe,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>just maybe, everyone else will too = and the=20 coming and going of these meteorites</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will be legitimate enough, so that = people will=20 not be driven to consider relocating</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>them because somehow they feel that = as NWA=20 meteorites...they are not good</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>enough!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know, I thought I would never = live to see=20 the day when MOROCCAN'S would </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>relocate meteorites from other = parts of the=20 world to their own country!!!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best Wishes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael Cottingham</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0135_01C0861B.F4D654E0-- Received on Wed 24 Jan 2001 05:40:19 PM PST |
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