[meteorite-list] Re: Tumblin' Stoney Space Rocks
From: David Freeman <dfreeman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:42:05 2004 Message-ID: <3A704947.CFE9C1B6_at_fascination.com> --------------1D976A7B3A1EC550AB3C7E99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, The Odessa TX irons do tumble up very nicely. The iron Widmanstatten pattern will "erode" out leaving small cliffs and cuts and I do have one with an interlocking hinged wedge...but I would never tumble one myself, and I would NEVER try tumbling on anything but an iron, and the higher the nickel content the more probability of a more positive end result. An ataxite would be worth a try...but remember the slurry will be made of water and what rusts in water??? I would presume that chondrite meteorites would last about half an hour in a vibrating tumbler and become gravel mush. Anyone wanting a picture of a tumbled odessa can find one in the Robert Haag catalogue on page 4. Mine are smaller, but look similar. Good Luck, Dave F. "E.L.Jones" wrote: > Mark! > > Interesting idea and if they did tumble successfully , due to > differential grinding, you might have a surface which resembled toad > skin. Common chondrite meteorites may appear "hard" but they lack > interlocking crystal structures which make other stones polish up in > the tumbler. Meteorites are non-homogeneous rocks. You might be able > to tumble them one at a time and not have them break. (Anyone have > some meteorites they are willing to bang together for a few hours to > see what is left?...Didn't think so.) Since it is not my meteorite > being tested....I'd like to know what turns out. We have had this > discussion before and the consensus then was that it was undoable. > > The hardness scale used in mineralogy doesn't apply to a meteorite > per se. . We hear that "olivine" has a hardness of 6 but I can > scratch some meteorites with fluorite at a hardness of 4. It tends > to make crumbs/flakes and not a "scratch" in the sense of mineral > identification. Fluorite will tumble and turns out some good pebbles > but it is a mineral , is interlocked, and is homogeneous. The > components of a meteorite are of varying hardness. AS such they tend > to under grind and over grind and you don't get a close average. A > water slurry, of course, would rust away your metal and you'd never > get rid of lawrencite. > > Unless you are after meteorite crumbs/dust and metal filing sized > flecks of rustable iron nickel, you are going to polish them by hand. > I have seen some meteorites with a dark ebony matrix which polished up > very nicely but nothing mirror smooth. > > Some people have tumbled iron shale and gotten the remaining metal > kernels out of the shale. > > Elton > > Mam602_at_aol.com wrote: > >> I have a friend who is a jeweler and artisan. He saw how relatively >> inexpensive the material is and asked me whether it can be tumbled >> in a rock >> tumbler and polished. >> >> I showed him pics of a Sahara 00173 Meteorite Slice I have in >> transit to me >> and noticed its grainy look to it. >> >> He also noticed that some of this material is referred to as uglies >> as though >> they were less than desirable for collecting. >> >> I told him my feeling is that to survive the heat and violence of >> passing >> thru the atmosphere, even the stony meteorites would be incredibly >> hard, >> probably take months to tumble. > > _______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing > list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --------------1D976A7B3A1EC550AB3C7E99 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Dear All, <br>The Odessa TX irons do tumble up very nicely. The iron Widmanstatten pattern will "erode" out leaving small cliffs and cuts and I do have one with an interlocking hinged wedge...but I would never tumble one myself, and I would NEVER try tumbling on anything but an iron, and the higher the nickel content the more probability of a more positive end result. An ataxite would be worth a try...but remember the slurry will be made of water and what rusts in water??? I would presume that chondrite meteorites would last about half an hour in a vibrating tumbler and become gravel <br>mush. <br>Anyone wanting a picture of a tumbled odessa can find one in the Robert Haag catalogue on page 4. Mine are smaller, but look similar. <br>Good Luck, <br>Dave F. <p>"E.L.Jones" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Mark! <p>Interesting idea and if they did tumble successfully , due to differential grinding, you might have a surface which resembled toad skin. Common chondrite meteorites may appear "hard" but they lack interlocking crystal structures which make other stones polish up in the tumbler. Meteorites are non-homogeneous rocks. You might be able to tumble them one at a time and not have them break. (Anyone have some meteorites they are willing to bang together for a few hours to see what is left?...Didn't think so.) Since it is not my meteorite being tested....I'd like to know what turns out. We have had this discussion before and the consensus then was that it was undoable. <p> The hardness scale used in mineralogy doesn't apply to a meteorite <i>per se</i>. . We hear that "olivine" has a hardness of 6 but I can scratch some meteorites with fluorite at a hardness of 4. It tends to make crumbs/flakes and not a "scratch" in the sense of mineral identification. Fluorite will tumble and turns out some good pebbles but it is a mineral , is interlocked, and is homogeneous. The components of a meteorite are of varying hardness. AS such they tend to under grind and over grind and you don't get a close average. A water slurry, of course, would rust away your metal and you'd never get rid of lawrencite. <p>Unless you are after meteorite crumbs/dust and metal filing sized flecks of rustable iron nickel, you are going to polish them by hand. I have seen some meteorites with a dark ebony matrix which polished up very nicely but nothing mirror smooth. <p>Some people have tumbled iron shale and gotten the remaining metal kernels out of the shale. <p>Elton <p>Mam602_at_aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I have a friend who is a jeweler and artisan. He saw how relatively <br>inexpensive the material is and asked me whether it can be tumbled in a rock <br>tumbler and polished. <p>I showed him pics of a Sahara 00173 Meteorite Slice I have in transit to me <br>and noticed its grainy look to it. <p>He also noticed that some of this material is referred to as uglies as though <br>they were less than desirable for collecting. <p>I told him my feeling is that to survive the heat and violence of passing <br>thru the atmosphere, even the stony meteorites would be incredibly hard, <br>probably take months to tumble.</blockquote> _______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com <A HREF="http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list">http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list</A></blockquote> </html> --------------1D976A7B3A1EC550AB3C7E99-- Received on Thu 25 Jan 2001 10:41:59 AM PST |
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