[meteorite-list] Re: facing history - Slashing Meteorites

From: Jim <Jim_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:44:35 2004
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Thank you Michel Franco!!!!

It is so refreshing to hear that even other lucky meteorite =
hunters/buyers believe that our Lunar meteorite is the most beautiful =
found so far.

Thank you so very much for the compliment. We are very proud. The =
people who invested in our trip are very happy also.

For those of you who would like to gaze upon this exquisite, oriented =
Lunar meteorite again before the cutting please follow this link:

http://www.nwa482.com

It is so special it even has it's own URL !!!!

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV 26038

Catch a Falling Star Meteorites
http://www.catchafallingstar.com

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Michel Franco=20
  To: Mike Farmer=20
  Cc: METEORITELIST=20
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:07 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: facing history ( was Hunting scams)


  History will rember that Mike Farmer as salshed into slices a =
wondefull unique oriented lunar meteorite, that Franco was not happy =
with that fact and expressed it.

  History will also remember that the Francos have found Dag 565 a =
primitive achondrite still unclassiifed (analysis started in 1998) that =
might prove something for both ureilites and winonaites parent bodies.

  And perhaps you Mike Framer will rember when I expalined how =
emotionnal was for both of us to find a meteorite from the ground. =
Emotion, heard of it ?

  Best wishes


  Michel FRANCO
  100 Chemin des Camp=E8nes
  74400 CHAMONIX - FRANCE
    ----- Message d'origine -----=20
    De : Mike Farmer=20
    =C0 : Michel Franco=20
    Cc : MeteorHntr_at_aol.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com=20
    Envoy=E9 : jeudi 1 mars 2001 16:39
    Objet : Hunting scams=20


    Why would you Care? How would you know who I bought my rock from if =
you never bought any meteorites in Morocco? Mr. Franco, it seems that =
you know the dealers but you never deal with them?=20
    Don't worry about how I pay for my trips, is it your business? you =
say you only find, but I have a very hard tome believing that. All I =
keep hearing from you and others is that you only search, ALL I keep =
hearing from the Moroccans is that the "Hunters" buy, =
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM=20
    And I keep getting shit from the French (several different people) =
that I should not go to Morocco, that it is "their territory" If none of =
you buy, then it matters not if I buy there. You may believe in the =
inherent goodness of mankind, I believe what I see, and that is the some =
serious BULLSHIT has been passed of to us all in the last 4 years by =
some people. What do the Moroccans have to gain or lose by telling us =
that the French and some Germans buy from them? Why do you think that =
they make this up. And when I say French, it is simply to avoid saying =
the long list of names that I have who buy there. Just tell me why they =
might spout off all of these names, if it is not true. Why do you think =
that they lie? What do they gain, do you think I pay more if they tell =
me that many French "Hunters" buy barrels of meteorites?=20
    As far as my stone goes, rest assured that proper payment has been =
and is still under way for those who helped us. We paid dearly for a =
stone which we did not know the type. When I bought items that turned =
out to be non meteoritic, I was told "Too bad" this is business" Take =
your chance. Well, we did with this one, and we hit pay dirt. So they =
took their chance, they sold it for over 10 to 20 YEARS salary for an =
average Moroccan, and they were quite happy,=20
    now I am happy too. Why can't you be, instead of getting pissed and =
giving me shit.=20
    It seems that the only people who are not happy for us are A, the =
FRENCH HUNTERS, why? If they are hunters, then they do not buy, this =
stone was bought, so it would not have fallen into their hands in the =
first place as they say that they DO NOT BUY. So I am seeing some =
interesting contradictions here, if you don't buy, and you only hunt, =
then you would NEVER have got this stone.=20
    Or is it that you hunt, and you also buy the RARE ONES?=20
    The plot thickens on the entire "Hunting thing".=20
    Does this make sense?=20
    I would like feedback from the list, if these people only hunt, why =
are they pissed that I BOUGHT a certain stone?=20
    Mike Farmer=20

    Michel Franco wrote:=20

      Farmer wrote<I do not doubt it, but after the Dar al Gani mars =
rocks, it would seem that some dishonesty was occuring there, popping =
out a new piece every few months, as though they did not recognize it =
from the start as the same damn thing.=20
      Mike Farmer > Seems that he should go in some easy places like DaG =
and prospect himself. he will certainly find all his meteorites on the =
same day. When some one see dishonest people everywhere, I feel =
unconfortable. I m a Rouseauist: mankind is good, with few exceptions, =
very few! I tried to explain one to Mike Farmer that Dag 476 and Dag 494 =
were not found by the same team. And that all other Dag SNC were found =
during separate expeditions.I never received any comment about that =
point. Mike you should go back yourself to the hunring field, and pick =
them up yourself without any backers for your trips. $10 per gram was =
great deal, I hope you have already sent a large reward to Ahmed Amouri. =
My two crusts. Michel FRANCO=20
           MeteorHntr_at_aol.com wrote:=20
           =20
          In a message dated 2/28/01 1:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, =
GShanos_at_aol.com=20
          writes:=20
           =20
           =20
           =20


             =20
             =20
             =20
            Dear List Members:=20

            What is the official word? Are all the Dhofar's 025, 026 an =
081 paired?=20
            Look forward to hearing from everyone.=20

            Sincerely=20
            Greg Shanos


           =20
           =20
          Hello Greg,=20

          I have both he 025 and the 026 for sale and there is nothing =
remotely similar=20
          to them.=20

          With the Dhofar specimens, there is honest reporting of all =
the details of=20
          the find; such as the date of find, exact longitude and =
latitude of the=20
          finds, accurate TKW info and the like. Also, these specimens =
have been found=20
          by professional meteorite hunters and not simply gathered by =
nomads and then=20
          run through a system of handlers before brought to market like =
most of the=20
          NWA specimens. This is not to be meant as a "slam" against =
the NWA's; I have=20
          sold a few NWA's myself and I will sell more in the future, it =
is simply a=20
          statement of fact.=20

          I think Mike Farmer has been the most open about explaining =
the state of=20
          meteorite affairs in Morocco. It is important to know =
however, the Dhofar=20
          situation is far from like that.=20

          While much of a meteorite's value should stand on what type of =
a meteorite it=20
          is, not based on the exact location where it was found; one =
very important=20
          consideration in determining a potential value is the Total =
Known Weight=20
          found. It might be easy to figure out that all (or at least =
most all) of the=20
          EH3 specimen found in the Sahara will (or should be) paired, =
it is next to=20
          impossible to know if your Saharan H5 specimen is one of a a =
thousand stones=20
          from one fall, or if it might be the entire mass of a fall. =
Or you might not=20
          know if next week a new fragment for the same fall of your new =
achondrite=20
          might increase the TKW by 10 fold.=20

          Thoughts to consider.=20

          As to the details of your specific question about pairing, you =
can find a lot=20
          of great information at Washington University's site here:=20

          http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon_meteorites.html=20

          I hope this helps.=20

          Steve=20

          Steve Arnold


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<DIV>Thank you Michel Franco!!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It is so refreshing to hear that even other lucky meteorite =
hunters/buyers=20
believe that our Lunar meteorite is the most beautiful found so =
far.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you so very much for the compliment.&nbsp; We are very =
proud.&nbsp;=20
The people who invested in our trip are very happy also.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>For those of you who would like to gaze upon this exquisite,=20
oriented&nbsp;Lunar meteorite again before the cutting please follow =
this=20
link:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.nwa482.com">http://www.nwa482.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It is so special it even has it's own URL !!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Jim Strope<BR>421 Fourth Street<BR>Glen Dale, WV&nbsp; 26038</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Catch a Falling Star Meteorites<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.catchafallingstar.com">http://www.catchafallingstar.co=
m</A><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3DMICH-FRANCO_at_wanadoo.fr =
href=3D"mailto:MICH-FRANCO_at_wanadoo.fr">Michel=20
  Franco</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Mike Farmer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">METEORITELIST</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 01, 2001 =
2:07=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] Re: =
facing=20
  history ( was Hunting scams)</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>History will rember that Mike Farmer as salshed =
into slices=20
  a wondefull unique oriented lunar meteorite, that Franco was not happy =
with=20
  that fact and expressed it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>History will also remember that the Francos have =
found Dag=20
  565 a primitive achondrite still unclassiifed (analysis started in =
1998) that=20
  might prove something for both ureilites and winonaites parent=20
  bodies.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>And perhaps you Mike Framer will rember when I =
expalined how=20
  emotionnal was for both of us to find a meteorite from&nbsp;the =
ground.=20
  Emotion, heard of it ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Best wishes</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Michel FRANCO<BR>100 Chemin des Camp=E8nes<BR>74400 CHAMONIX - =
FRANCE</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Message d'origine ----- </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>De=20
    :</B> <A title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net=20
    href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Mike Farmer</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>=C0 :</B> <A =
title=3DMICH-FRANCO_at_wanadoo.fr=20
    href=3D"mailto:MICH-FRANCO_at_wanadoo.fr">Michel Franco</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc&nbsp;:</B> <A =
title=3DMeteorHntr_at_aol.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:MeteorHntr_at_aol.com">MeteorHntr@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</B> jeudi 1 mars =
2001=20
    16:39</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Objet :</B> Hunting scams </DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>Why would you Care? How would you know who I bought =
my rock=20
    from if you never bought any meteorites in Morocco? Mr. Franco, it =
seems=20
    that you know the dealers but you never deal with them? <BR>Don't =
worry=20
    about how I pay for my trips, is it your business? you say you only =
find,=20
    but I have a very hard tome believing that. All I keep hearing from =
you and=20
    others is that you only search, ALL I keep hearing from the =
Moroccans is=20
    that&nbsp; the "Hunters"&nbsp; buy,=20
    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM <BR>And I keep getting =
shit from=20
    the French (several different people) that I should not go to =
Morocco, that=20
    it is "their territory" If none of you buy, then it matters not if I =
buy=20
    there. You may believe in the inherent goodness of mankind, I =
believe what I=20
    see, and that is the some serious BULLSHIT has been passed of to us =
all in=20
    the last 4 years by some people. What do the Moroccans have to gain =
or lose=20
    by telling us that the French and some Germans buy from them? Why do =
you=20
    think that they make this up. And when I say French, it is simply to =
avoid=20
    saying the long list of names that I have who buy there. Just tell =
me why=20
    they might spout off all of these names, if it is not true. Why do =
you think=20
    that they lie? What do they gain, do you think I pay more if they =
tell me=20
    that many French "Hunters" buy barrels of meteorites?=20
    <P>As far as my stone goes, rest assured that proper payment has =
been and is=20
    still under way for those who helped us. We paid dearly for a stone =
which we=20
    did not know the type. When I bought items that turned out to be non =

    meteoritic, I was told "Too bad" this is business" Take your chance. =
Well,=20
    we did with this one, and we hit pay dirt. So they took their =
chance, they=20
    sold it for over 10 to 20 YEARS salary for an average Moroccan, and =
they=20
    were quite happy, <BR>now I am happy too. Why can't you be, instead =
of=20
    getting pissed and giving me shit. <BR>It seems that the only people =
who are=20
    not happy for us are A, the FRENCH HUNTERS, why? If they are =
hunters, then=20
    they do not buy, this stone was bought, so it would not have fallen =
into=20
    their hands in the first place as they say that they DO NOT BUY. So =
I am=20
    seeing some interesting contradictions here, if you don't buy, and =
you only=20
    hunt, then you would NEVER have got this stone. <BR>Or is it that =
you hunt,=20
    and you also buy the RARE ONES? <BR>The plot thickens on the entire =
"Hunting=20
    thing". <BR>Does this make sense? <BR>I would like feedback from the =
list,=20
    if these people only hunt, why are they pissed that I BOUGHT a =
certain=20
    stone? <BR>Mike Farmer=20
    <P>Michel Franco wrote:=20
    <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">
      <STYLE></STYLE>
      <FONT size=3D-1>Farmer wrote</FONT><FONT size=3D-1>&lt;I do not =
doubt it, but=20
      after the Dar al Gani mars rocks, it would seem that some =
dishonesty was=20
      occuring there, popping out a new piece every few months, as =
though they=20
      did not recognize it from the start as the same damn thing.</FONT> =

      <BR><FONT size=3D-1>Mike Farmer &gt;</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D-1>Seems that he=20
      should go in some easy places like DaG and prospect himself. he =
will=20
      certainly find all his meteorites on the same day. When some one =
see=20
      dishonest people everywhere, I feel unconfortable. I m a =
Rouseauist:=20
      mankind is good, with few exceptions, very few!</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      size=3D-1>I tried to explain one to Mike Farmer that Dag 476 and =
Dag 494=20
      were not found by the same team. And that all other Dag SNC were =
found=20
      during separate expeditions.</FONT><FONT size=3D-1>I never =
received any=20
      comment about that point.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D-1>Mike you =
should go=20
      back yourself to the hunring field, and pick them up yourself =
without any=20
      backers for your trips. $10 per gram was great deal, I hope you =
have=20
      already sent a large reward to Ahmed Amouri.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D-1>My=20
      two crusts.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D-1>Michel FRANCO</FONT>=20
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:MeteorHntr_at_aol.com">MeteorHntr@aol.com</A> wrote: =

        <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">&nbsp;=20
          <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D-1>In a message =
dated 2/28/01=20
          1:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, =
GShanos_at_aol.com</FONT></FONT>=20
          <BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
size=3D-1>writes:</FONT></FONT>=20
          <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;=20
          <BLOCKQUOTE=20
          style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
          TYPE=3D"CITE"><BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;=20
            <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D-1>Dear List=20
            Members:</FONT></FONT>=20
            <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D-1>What is the =
official=20
            word?&nbsp; Are all the Dhofar's 025, 026 an 081=20
            paired?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =

            size=3D-1>Look forward to hearing from =
everyone.</FONT></FONT>=20
            <P><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
size=3D-1>Sincerely</FONT></FONT>=20
            <BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D-1>Greg=20
            Shanos</FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>Hello=20
          Greg,</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>I =
have both he=20
          025 and the 026 for sale and there is nothing remotely=20
          similar</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>to them.</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>With the Dhofar=20
          specimens, there is honest reporting of all the details=20
          of</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
          size=3D-1>the find; such as the date of find, exact longitude =
and=20
          latitude of the</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>finds, accurate TKW info and =
the=20
          like.&nbsp; Also, these specimens have been =
found</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>by professional=20
          meteorite hunters and not simply gathered by nomads and=20
          then</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>run through a system of =
handlers before=20
          brought to market like most of the</FONT></FONT></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
          face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>NWA =
specimens.&nbsp; This=20
          is not to be meant as a "slam" against the NWA's; I=20
          have</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>sold a few NWA's myself and I =
will sell=20
          more in the future, it is simply a</FONT></FONT></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
          face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>statement =
of=20
          fact.</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>I =
think Mike=20
          Farmer has been the most open about explaining the state=20
          of</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
          size=3D-1>meteorite affairs in Morocco.&nbsp; It is important =
to know=20
          however, the Dhofar</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>situation is far from like=20
          that.</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>While much of a=20
          meteorite's value should stand on what type of a meteorite=20
          it</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
          size=3D-1>is, not based on the exact location where it was =
found; one=20
          very important</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>consideration in determining a =
potential=20
          value is the Total Known Weight</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =

          face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>found.&nbsp; It might be=20
          easy to figure out that all (or at least most all) of=20
          the</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>EH3 specimen found in the =
Sahara will (or=20
          should be) paired, it is next to</FONT></FONT></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
          face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>impossible =
to know if=20
          your Saharan H5 specimen is one of a a thousand=20
          stones</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>from one fall, or if it might =
be the=20
          entire mass of a fall.&nbsp; Or you might =
not</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>know if next=20
          week a new fragment for the same fall of your new=20
          achondrite</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>might increase the TKW by 10=20
          fold.</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>Thoughts to=20
          consider.</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>As =
to the=20
          details of your specific question about pairing, you can find =
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          lot</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
          color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>of great information at =
Washington=20
          University's site here:</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1><A =

          =
href=3D"http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/moon_meteorites.html">http:=
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FONT>=20

          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>I =
hope this=20
          helps.</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT=20
          size=3D-1>Steve</FONT></FONT></FONT>=20
          <P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D-1>Steve=20
          =
Arnold</FONT></FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B=
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