[meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite

From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:55:54 2004
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Geez Dean, if you want me to reveal what you paid for the CR2, then you =
will have your own explaining to do, $25 gram, that is one hell of a =
markup, I know, unless you got taken, which would not surprise me in the =
least. Which items do I sell for many times other dealers? Just name =
one please and give example prices.=20
Other peoples money? My money is there along side everyone elses. I =
think I made alot of people very happy. Can you tell why that is a bad =
thing? Dean, you sell your meteorite scraps, the dregs of the dregs, I =
almnost laughed my ass off when I saw the tubs of crap in your room at =
Denver. I dont know how you plan to drive to Tucson, keep a room for two =
weeks and make a penny profit on that crap. You might find a sucker =
wanting to buy that weathered stuff. Hell they might even get crust, but =
as you say, for that price, "dont expect fusion crust"
See ya here.=20
Mike
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: dean bessey=20
  To: farmerm_at_concentric.net ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite


  Geez farmer. you dont like it when people undercut your overpriced =
meteorites do you. I remember a time when you were attacking casper =
because he used to sell stuff for the going market price and that =
interfered with your ability to sucker your customers into charging =
triple the going rate for the same material. Even coming up with some =
lame excuse that your crap was somehow better than caspers material =
because you travelled to some faraway land to get a photo of yourself in =
a scouts outfit standing next to poor natives like some sally strutters =
commercial with a meteorite in your hands. Maybe you should take some =
lessons from casper so that you can learn how to offer a fair price for =
your meteorites. Your customers might then finally get a true decent =
deal for a change instead of paying for your travel stories.=20

  Or maybe you should travel to northen canada again and offer $20 =
(Canadian) a gram for tagish lake that other dealers were offering $200 =
for. And then blame the canadian meteorite police when you dont get any =
and at the same time make the sad discovery that all natives up there =
dont actually spend all of their lives sniffing glue but actually are =
educated enough to know that $200 is more than $20.=20

  Maybe you should have gotten your "investors" to pay for that trip to.

  But dont worry. I am sure that you have more customers interested in =
buying overpriced meteorites from you. I guess that when casper left the =
market you must have figured that that was no other dealers around that =
was interested in selling meteorites for less than a 10 to 20 times =
markup.=20

  Good thing that you got lucky when you bought the lunar with other =
peoples money. Otherwise you would be backrupt.

  dean






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>Dean, wow, you have it all huh? Considering I was there just a week =
and a half ago, you can't run your crap by me. Don't you think using the =
term "dump" is good for a meteorite that you are admitting is so =
beautiful and rare? There WILL be more meteorites coming from that =
strewnfield. you know that so stop your lying. You are the most =
interesting dealer ive seen since Casper, buy rare meteorites and then =
"dump" them to make a buck. You admitted that you would make alot of =
enemies with your CR2 fiasco, it is working, You should stick to selling =
your crappy $250 kilos scraps and quit trying to trash anything else.=20
>Mike Farmer=20
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> From: dean bessey=20
> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:05 PM=20
> Subject: [meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite=20
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> I am now in amsterdam enjoying guinness in a coffee shop with =
internet access and am piling over hundreds of emails many of which =
concern the CR2 strewnfield .=20
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> I will post photos of the strewnfield, coordinates and other data in =
the next day or two. the strewnfield is within a couple miles of =
downtown zagora. it is small and very well known. I plan on approaching =
the meteoritical society to ask for a real name on it. the locals have =
throughly searched over it with sight, magnets and metal detectors. I am =
told that 3 months ago there were two or three hundred people a day =
seaching the flat rocky strewnfield that has no vegetation and is easy =
to search. it is quite small to. most people have now gotten discouraged =
and now only a couple dozen wemon including small girls search anymore. =
everybody came up to me when we entered the strewnfield but there was =
less than a gram for sale. there will not be more meteorites coming out =
of that strenfield. likely no place on earth has been searched over like =
that strewnfield has been searched. if there was 300 people in that =
strewnfield it would be like walking around in a crowded disco.=20
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> it was very hard to buy any. Except for about 250 grams that a guy =
who I never got off to a good start has I bought all that there is left =
in the zagora area. Likely there is less than a kilo in all of morocco =
right now including what is left in the strewnfield although what is =
left is pretty minimal.=20
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> everybody wanted to much and most of the stuff that I have, I have =
on consignment to sell. Everybody figured that getting me to sell it for =
them in tucson would get them more cash than selling it outright. I =
pretty much have all that is left. I have about a kilo and a half =
although half is already spoken for by other dealers so my stuff will =
quickly dry up and i dont think that I will ever get more.=20
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> I havent paid for my material so I have to dump it and just take a =
commission although i plan on keeping some of it. I have spent over =
50,000 dollars in the past month getting ready for tucson and getting =
ebay stock for afterwards so I have to get rid of this stuff. I can =
still match my 23.50 a gram price for as long as it lasts for individual =
specimens. Let me know what sizes that you want if you want any.=20
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> I think that a fair price for this stuff is about seventy five =
dollars a gram. After tucson I likely wont be feeling so poor and still =
feel a need to dump one of the most significant meteoprites to come out =
of the sahara anymore. there is certainly not 2 tons of meteorites in =
this strewnfield like there is in allende which still yields six or =
seven dollars a gram. the strenfield is very well known also. this is =
not a meteorite without known coordinates (although to be honest i cant =
see a difference anyway but thats just my opinion). I will post =
coordinates tomorrow. right now my GPS unit is on the airplane so I cant =
check the info that I saved=20
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> i will only be back in canada for a day before i go to tucson so if =
you want any email the sizes that you want and i will go over what i =
have. I prefer paypal payment so that I can get it out monday before i =
leave to drive to tucson.=20
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> I will have more info and strewnfield photos in the next couple days =
and I will then sell it to the list. if you want some get it now or in =
tucson. this stuff will not be under 30 dollars forever. I know of a =
couple other dealers with quantities so I dont know what they plan on =
doing but there is no economic reason for anybody to beat my price here. =
this one should have an increase in price. remember this meteorite was =
300 dollars in tucson last year and 200 dollars at the recent denver =
show.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geez Dean, if you want me to reveal =
what you paid=20
for the CR2, then you will have your own explaining to do, $25 gram, =
that is one=20
hell of a markup, I know, unless you got taken, which would not surprise =
me in=20
the least. Which items do I sell for many times other dealers?&nbsp; =
Just name=20
one please and give example prices. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other peoples money? My money is there =
along side=20
everyone elses. I think I made alot of people very happy. Can you tell =
why that=20
is a bad thing? Dean, you sell your meteorite scraps, the dregs of the =
dregs, I=20
almnost laughed my ass off when I saw the tubs of crap in your room at =
Denver. I=20
dont know how you plan to drive to Tucson, keep a room for two weeks and =
make a=20
penny profit on that crap. You might find a sucker wanting to buy that =
weathered=20
stuff. Hell they might even get crust, but as you say, for that price, =
"dont=20
expect fusion crust"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>See ya here. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 27, 2002 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
The=20
  Moroccan CR2 meteorite</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P>Geez farmer. you dont like it when people undercut your overpriced=20
  meteorites do you. I remember a time when you were attacking casper =
because he=20
  used to sell stuff for the going market price and that interfered with =
your=20
  ability to sucker your customers into charging triple the going rate =
for the=20
  same material. Even coming up with some lame excuse that your crap was =
somehow=20
  better than caspers material because you travelled to some faraway =
land to get=20
  a photo of yourself in a scouts outfit standing next to poor natives =
like some=20
  sally strutters commercial with a meteorite in your hands. Maybe you =
should=20
  take some lessons from casper so that you can learn how to offer a =
fair price=20
  for your meteorites. Your customers might then finally get a true =
decent deal=20
  for a change instead of paying for your travel stories. </P>
  <P>Or maybe you should travel to northen canada again and offer $20 =
(Canadian)=20
  a gram for tagish lake that other dealers were offering $200 for. And =
then=20
  blame the canadian meteorite police when you dont get any and at the =
same time=20
  make the sad discovery that all natives up there dont actually spend =
all of=20
  their lives sniffing glue but actually are educated enough to know =
that $200=20
  is more than $20. </P>
  <P>Maybe you should have gotten your "investors" to pay for that trip =
to.</P>
  <P>But dont worry. I am sure that you have more customers interested =
in buying=20
  overpriced meteorites from you. I guess that when casper left the =
market you=20
  must have figured that that was no other dealers around that was =
interested in=20
  selling meteorites for less than a 10 to 20 times markup. </P>
  <P>Good thing that you got lucky when you bought the lunar with other =
peoples=20
  money. Otherwise you would be backrupt.</P>
  <P>dean<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. =
Or even=20
  from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite =
Shop.=20
  www.meteoriteshop.com=20
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Michael Farmer" <FARMERM_at_CONCENTRIC.NET>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: "dean bessey" <DEANBESSEY_at_HOTMAIL.COM>,=20
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Dean, wow, you have it all huh? Considering I was there =
just a=20
  week and a half ago, you can't run your crap by me. Don't you think =
using the=20
  term "dump" is good for a meteorite that you are admitting is so =
beautiful and=20
  rare? There WILL be more meteorites coming from that strewnfield. you =
know=20
  that so stop your lying. You are the most interesting dealer ive seen =
since=20
  Casper, buy rare meteorites and then "dump" them to make a buck. You =
admitted=20
  that you would make alot of enemies with your CR2 fiasco, it is =
working, You=20
  should stick to selling your crappy $250 kilos scraps and quit trying =
to trash=20
  anything else.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Mike Farmer=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; ----- Original Message -----=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; From: dean bessey=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:05 PM=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Subject: [meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; I am now in amsterdam enjoying guinness in a coffee =
shop with=20
  internet access and am piling over hundreds of emails many of which =
concern=20
  the CR2 strewnfield .=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; I will post photos of the strewnfield, coordinates and =
other=20
  data in the next day or two. the strewnfield is within a couple miles =
of=20
  downtown zagora. it is small and very well known. I plan on =
approaching the=20
  meteoritical society to ask for a real name on it. the locals have =
throughly=20
  searched over it with sight, magnets and metal detectors. I am told =
that 3=20
  months ago there were two or three hundred people a day seaching the =
flat=20
  rocky strewnfield that has no vegetation and is easy to search. it is =
quite=20
  small to. most people have now gotten discouraged and now only a =
couple dozen=20
  wemon including small girls search anymore. everybody came up to me =
when we=20
  entered the strewnfield but there was less than a gram for sale. there =
will=20
  not be more meteorites coming out of that strenfield. likely no place =
on earth=20
  has been searched over like that strewnfield has been searched. if =
there was=20
  300 people in that strewnfield it would be like walking around in a =
crowded=20
  disco.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; it was very hard to buy any. Except for about 250 =
grams that a=20
  guy who I never got off to a good start has I bought all that there is =
left in=20
  the zagora area. Likely there is less than a kilo in all of morocco =
right now=20
  including what is left in the strewnfield although what is left is =
pretty=20
  minimal.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; everybody wanted to much and most of the stuff that I =
have, I=20
  have on consignment to sell. Everybody figured that getting me to sell =
it for=20
  them in tucson would get them more cash than selling it outright. I =
pretty=20
  much have all that is left. I have about a kilo and a half although =
half is=20
  already spoken for by other dealers so my stuff will quickly dry up =
and i dont=20
  think that I will ever get more.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; I havent paid for my material so I have to dump it and =
just=20
  take a commission although i plan on keeping some of it. I have spent =
over=20
  50,000 dollars in the past month getting ready for tucson and getting =
ebay=20
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match my=20
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt; I think that a fair price for this stuff is about =
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  need to dump one of the most significant meteoprites to come out of =
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the=20
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  or in tucson. this stuff will not be under 30 dollars forever. I know =
of a=20
  couple other dealers with quantities so I dont know what they plan on =
doing=20
  but there is no economic reason for anybody to beat my price here. =
this one=20
  should have an increase in price. remember this meteorite was 300 =
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  tucson last year and 200 dollars at the recent denver show.=20
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