[meteorite-list] More details....& thanks! Got had & need help.
From: MuseumStore/NatureSource <musnat_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:04:51 2004 Message-ID: <000201c201d9$5f779a40$738e70d1_at_JCD> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C20184.5C1B5080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ken and list, Thanks for all your investigative work Ken! It seems like this seller = is not simply misinformed or ignorant, but that they are being blatantly = dishonest and selling material as one thing, knowing full well that it = is not what they claim. It really is a shame that there are people like = this, because it reflects badly on legitimate and reputable dealers, and = can scare off new collectors and potential customers. >From what I remember when I visited the crater, you were not permitted = to take anything at all from the crater area. I may be remembering = wrong as this was about 10 years ago. Maybe someone else knows more. I thank you again for emailing j.c.z. inc on my behalf. I agree that = getting a flood of emails might give them a change of heart. If anyone = else cares to follow suit I would certainly not object! : ) Their = email is bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com I am compiling my claim to the credit card company today utilizing my = own information plus lots of information and advice so generously = provided by list members. I believe I have responded personally to = everyone who offered advice and support, but if I have inadvertently = forgotten anyone, THANK YOU!! As I said before, I will keep everyone posted on how this all pans out. = I probably will not know anything for a couple weeks....unless I get an = unexpected refund from j.c.z. But I'm not going to hold my breath on = that one! Thanks again to all, Jeannie Devon IMCA #9236 The Museum Store/The Nature Source Anchorage, AK www.thenaturesource.com Jeannie,=20 I checked my emails. Not only has this person used the ID's = "j.c.z.inc","bubbamisen", but also as "pahanaswife". Instead of email = name " Judith McCabe," this person replied to me in Feb as Colin Scott. = I am sure this is the same person because the Link to the auction for = "pahanaswife" now shows the ID "j.c.z.inc". (Feb auction - 200 plus = pieces meteorite ) This is one slippery person. When asked I about the = CD meteorites in Feb, I was told the light coloration was from dust as = they had not been cleaned. I then wrote back asking if he would = guarantee these as being metal (nickel/iron) , I have no record of a = reply.=20 Jeannie, I think the way to get this guy is his own reference to: " = It is forbidden to collect this material now after the federal = government slapped a irreplacable resourse label on it." I have always = thought that this regulation referred to core material and not oxide. If = so, he has trapped himself. However, I don't know where to get more info = on this. Perhaps the someone on the List knows?=20 I did write "j.c.z.inc" (address - bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com) encouraging = this person to refund the monies only to get a harsh reply threatening = to sue me.( sound familiar?) Hopefully, others will write this = person.(Auction in dispute - Item # 1088285627 ) A large number of = emails could have an attitude adjusting effect.=20 Best,=20 Ken Newton=20 PS - This person also wrote claiming to have 150 satisfied meteorite = customers, yet he has only 16 feedbacks. Of those 16 only 3 are for = Canyon Diablo Meteorites and of those only 2 are different persons. = Where are the other 148?=20 TMS/TNS/HRC wrote:=20 Hello list! First off, let me thank again everyone who responded = so quickly and thoughtfully to my dilemma. I so much appreciate the = kindness and generosity of this list. What a great group of people! = Since I have given the seller ample time to make good, and right this = situation to no avail I'm going to post all the details of the = transaction in hopes that no one else will run into the same problems. = The material is pale and orangy/tan in color. Some pieces are slightly = attracted to a magnet (but obviously less than to a real CD), and others = are not. They are mostly rather flat and angular with many having a = layered appearance. The heft is also noticeably lighter than Canyon = Diablos. Yes, the purchase was made on Ebay. The auction # is = 1088285627 and is still available for viewing. The title of the auction = is "30+ Pieces of Canyon Diablo Meteorite". As you can see, the photo = is not the best. I have been tracking the seller closely and they have = not posted any more "meteorite" auctions since the one I bought, just = garage sale junk. I would be very suprised if they are members of this = list, or of the "meteorite community" in general. There were some = auctions of this material sold before mine, however. I do not recognize = any of the bidders or winners of these auctions but I am not really = familiar with people's Ebay user IDs. The user's name is Judith McCabe, = with a user ID of "j.c.z.inc". This is a new user ID. The one in place = for the sale of the "meteorite" material was "bubbamisen". There was no = return address on the box I received in the mail, but the post mark was = Oswego, NY. After expressing my dissatisfaction and wish to return the = merchandise, this is the response I received from the seller: "The items = sent you are deffinetly canyon diablo meteorite as listed in issue 5 of = the meteorite encyclopedia. If as you say you have indeed been a dealer = you would know this. We have over 150 satisfied customers with this = material. And we can prove the material was collected from the crater = rim. " I emailed back with a very straightforward and polite reply, = explaining to the best of my ability why I felt the material was = misrepresented and asking for an address to return the material. I = received no reply. If anyone has any knowledge of this person, or this = auction, or has had dealings with her please let me know (on or = offlist). I would be interested to know. I'll keep everyone posted = with what happens, just so you know. I'm also going to try to take some = pictures this evening of the material I was sent next to some known = Canyon Diablos, and if I can get a good image I will post it here so you = can see it firsthand.Thank you again everyone, and any more replies I = get will be most appreciated. Remember Ebayers, it's a jungle out there! = : ) Regards to all,Jeannie DevonIMCA #9236The Museum Store/The Nature = SourceAnchorage, AKwww.thenaturesource.com = ______________________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C20184.5C1B5080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 = transitional//en"> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hello Ken and list,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for all your investigative work Ken! It = seems=20 like this seller is not simply misinformed or ignorant, but that they = are being=20 blatantly dishonest and selling material as one thing, knowing full well = that it=20 is not what they claim. It really is a shame that there are people = like=20 this, because it reflects badly on legitimate and reputable dealers, and = can=20 scare off new collectors and potential customers.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>From what I remember when I visited the crater, you = were not=20 permitted to take anything at all from the crater area. I may be=20 remembering wrong as this was about 10 years ago. Maybe someone = else knows=20 more.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I thank you again for emailing j.c.z. inc on my = behalf. =20 I agree that getting a flood of emails might give them a change of = heart. =20 If anyone else cares to follow suit I would certainly not object! = :=20 ) Their email is <A=20 href=3D"mailto:bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com">bubbamisen@yahoo.com</A></FONT></DIV= > <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am compiling my claim to the credit card company = today=20 utilizing my own information plus lots of information and advice so = generously=20 provided by list members. I believe I have responded personally to = everyone who offered advice and support, but if I have inadvertently = forgotten=20 anyone, THANK YOU!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>As I said before, I will keep everyone posted on how = this all=20 pans out. I probably will not know anything for a couple = weeks....unless I=20 get an unexpected refund from j.c.z. But I'm not going to hold my = breath=20 on that one!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks again to all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jeannie Devon</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>IMCA #9236</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>The Museum Store/The Nature Source</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Anchorage, AK</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://www.thenaturesource.com">www.thenaturesource.com</A></FONT= ></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"></FONT>Jeannie,=20 <BR>I checked my emails. Not only has this person used the ID's=20 "j.c.z.inc","bubbamisen", but also as=20 "pahanaswife". Instead of email name " Judith = McCabe,"=20 this person replied to me in Feb as Colin Scott. I am sure = this is the=20 same person because the Link to the auction for = "pahanaswife" now=20 shows the ID "j.c.z.inc".<FONT size=3D+1> </FONT>(Feb = auction -<FONT=20 size=3D+1> </FONT> <A=20 = href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D10710090= 95">200=20 plus pieces meteorite</A> ) This is one slippery person. When asked = I about=20 the CD meteorites in Feb, I was told the light coloration was from = dust as=20 they had not been cleaned. I then wrote back asking if he = would=20 guarantee these as being metal (nickel/iron) , I have no = record of a=20 reply. <BR>Jeannie, I think the way to get this guy is his own = reference to:=20 " It is forbidden to collect<B> this materia</B>l now after the = federal=20 government slapped a irreplacable resourse label on it." I have = always=20 thought that this regulation referred to<B> core material</B> and = not oxide.=20 If so, he has trapped himself. However, I don't know where to get = more info=20 on this. Perhaps the someone on the List knows? <BR>I did write=20 "j.c.z.inc" (address - bubbamisen_at_yahoo.com) encouraging = this=20 person to refund the monies only to get a harsh reply = threatening to=20 sue me.( sound familiar?) Hopefully, others will write = this=20 person.(Auction in dispute - <A=20 = href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1088285627">= Item #=20 1088285627</A> ) A large number of emails could have an = attitude=20 adjusting effect. <BR>Best, <BR>Ken Newton <BR>PS - This person also = wrote=20 claiming to have 150 satisfied meteorite customers, yet he has only = 16=20 feedbacks. Of those 16 only 3 are for Canyon Diablo Meteorites and = of those=20 only 2 are different persons. Where are the other 148?<FONT=20 size=3D+1></FONT>=20 <P>TMS/TNS/HRC wrote:=20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT size=3D+1>Hello list!</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>First = off, let me=20 thank again everyone who responded so quickly and thoughtfully = to my=20 dilemma. I so much appreciate the kindness and generosity = of this=20 list. What a great group of people!</FONT> <FONT=20 size=3D+1>Since I have given the seller ample time to make good, = and right=20 this situation to no avail I'm going to post all the details of = the=20 transaction in hopes that no one else will run into the same=20 problems.</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>The material is pale and = orangy/tan=20 in color. Some pieces are slightly attracted to a magnet = (but=20 obviously less than to a real CD), and others are not. = They are=20 mostly rather flat and angular with many having a layered=20 appearance. The heft is also noticeably lighter than = Canyon=20 Diablos.</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>Yes, the purchase was made = on=20 Ebay. The auction # is 1088285627 and is still available = for=20 viewing. The title of the auction is "30+ Pieces of = Canyon=20 Diablo Meteorite". As you can see, the photo is not = the=20 best. I have been tracking the seller closely and they = have not=20 posted any more "meteorite" auctions since the one I = bought,=20 just garage sale junk. I would be very suprised if they = are=20 members of this list, or of the "meteorite community" = in=20 general. There were some auctions of this material sold = before=20 mine, however. I do not recognize any of the bidders or = winners of=20 these auctions but I am not really familiar with people's Ebay = user=20 IDs.</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>The user's name is Judith = McCabe, with a=20 user ID of "j.c.z.inc". This is a new user = ID. The=20 one in place for the sale of the "meteorite" material = was=20 "bubbamisen". There was no return address on the = box I=20 received in the mail, but the post mark was Oswego,=20 NY.</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>After expressing my = dissatisfaction and=20 wish to return the merchandise, this is the response I received = from the=20 seller:</FONT> "The items sent you are deffinetly = canyon=20 diablo meteorite as listed in issue 5 of the meteorite = encyclopedia. If=20 as you say you have indeed been a dealer you would know this. We = have=20 over 150 satisfied customers with this material. And we can = prove the=20 material was collected from the crater rim. " <FONT = size=3D+1>I=20 emailed back with a very straightforward and polite reply, = explaining to=20 the best of my ability why I felt the material was = misrepresented and=20 asking for an address to return the material. I received = no=20 reply.</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>If anyone has any knowledge = of this=20 person, or this auction, or has had dealings with her please let = me know=20 (on or offlist). I would be interested to know. I'll = keep=20 everyone posted with what happens, just so you = know.</FONT> <FONT=20 size=3D+1>I'm also going to try to take some pictures this = evening of the=20 material I was sent next to some known Canyon Diablos, and if I = can get=20 a good image I will post it here so you can see it=20 firsthand.</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>Thank you again everyone, and = any more=20 replies I get will be most appreciated.</FONT> <FONT=20 size=3D+1>Remember Ebayers, it's a jungle out there! :=20 )</FONT> <FONT size=3D+1>Regards to all,</FONT><FONT = size=3D+1>Jeannie=20 Devon</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>IMCA #9236</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>The = Museum=20 Store/The Nature Source</FONT><FONT size=3D+1>Anchorage, = AK</FONT><FONT=20 size=3D+1><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.thenaturesource.com">www.thenaturesource.com</A></FONT= > <FONT=20 = size=3D+1>______________________________________________</FONT></BLOCKQUO= TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00E6_01C20184.5C1B5080-- Received on Wed 22 May 2002 03:32:31 PM PDT |
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