[meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:10:04 2004
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Hi Mike,
       Sorry, again, you are mistaken. All I did was hit "Reply All." It
went
only to the email addresses you originally set. Check the list archives if
you doubt my word.
       Michael
        

on 4/6/03 8:14 PM, Michael Farmer at farmerm_at_concentric.net wrote:

Michael this was a private email from me to you. Thanks for putting it
public. The point is the same. you are praising someone for something when
they did the exact opposite. That is my point.
Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael L Blood <mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net>
To: Michael Farmer <mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net> ; Adam Hupe
<mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com> ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two

Hi Mike,
      Sorry, I had no idea you would take my comments personally.
      Sincerely, Michael

on 4/6/03 7:20 PM, Michael Farmer at farmerm_at_concentric.net wrote:

Michael, I am sorry to burst your bubble, but Adam did exactly EXACTLY that!
He was in the room and offered $15 k for the meteorite I had just bought for
$12K. Can't people just frigging tell things like they are?
Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael L Blood <mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net>
To: Adam Hupe <mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com> ;
meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two

Hi Adam,
     Excellent post. You and Greg are two of the few sane dealers who
have an awareness about the price impact of your actions. Amazing
TOTALLY amazing how rare this is.
     I have been harping on this subject my entire career and have
turned up the volume since the Monahans event (interesting I have
become good friends with Steve since then and have a great deal of
respect for him). However, I have yet to meet a dealer who can hear
a word I say on the topic. They seam to either "get it" or not and
nothing said affects them one way or the other.
     I heard of dealers negotiating with people in Park Forrest only
to have another dealer rudely interrupt with, "Hell, I'll give you more
than THAT for it!" right on the spot. This is the kind of unthinking
avarice that impacts price - not your report to the list you referenced.
     Thank you for being a conscientious dealer - and a damned good
reporter, too.
     Sincerely, Michael Blood

on 4/6/03 10:39 AM, Adam Hupe at adamhupe_at_attbi.com wrote:

Dear List,

Here we go again! I am personally glad to be home after spending five
intense days in the so-called "Urban Strewnfield". For those of you who
were not able to go you did not miss much. The weather was horrible, most
of the neighborhood was rough and the greed was amazing.

My brother, Greg arrived yesterday and met up with Al Lang to pick up an
entire bedroom that had been hammered by one of these stones. We will
reconstruct the bedroom with the ceiling that had two holes punched in it,
the venetian blinds that were split down the center, a metal windowsill with
a huge impact crater and a mirror that was shattered, all hit by the same
meteorite that thankfully missed a boy by inches as he was sleeping. This
collection will be displayed proudly next to the Peekskill car in a private
museum. We plan on possibly displaying the collection at the Tucson show
next year if there is enough interest. We acquired several other impacted
items from all over the strewn field and will integrate them into another
interpretive display. This represents the world's largest collection of
man-made objects impacted by meteorites. We feel it is important to
preserve these historical items for future generations to enjoy.

On another note:
Why couldn't the meteorite have landed somewhere in a rural area?, maybe
next time. I do not believe the prices would have been so high if the
stones where recovered by farmers and ranch-hands. Word spread like wild
fire in the Park Forest neighborhood about prices being realized for stones
that hit things. These street-smart finders then played a lot of dealers
and collectors in the field for as much money as they could get and now
everybody is paying the price. You can blame dealers who lacked the
patience to negotiate better prices and manage the situation in a
professional manner for these high prices. Instead money was thrown around
exciting the neighborhood into a feeding frenzy. I owned up to my part in
this whole thing with a post called "Park Forest - the pulling of teeth".
If I contributed in anyway to the high prices, I apologize. I admit there
were a few times when we paid more than we should have.


Wishing everybody well,

Adam Hupe
IMCA 2185





The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
 Bertrand Russell
--
Worth Seeing:
-  Earth at night from satelite:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
- Interactive Lady Liberty:
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
- Earth - variety of choices:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html
--
Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met
eorCraterRimL.html
--
Cool Calendar & Clock:
http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
--
Michael Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale at:
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
  Bertrand Russell
--
Worth Seeing:
-  Earth at night from satelite:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
- Interactive Lady Liberty:
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
- Earth - variety of choices:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html
--
Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met
eorCraterRimL.html
--
Cool Calendar & Clock:
http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
--
Michael Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale at:
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
   Bertrand Russell
--
Worth Seeing:
-  Earth at night from satelite:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
- Interactive Lady Liberty:
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
- Earth - variety of choices:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html
--
Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met
eorCraterRimL.html
--
Cool Calendar & Clock:
 http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
--
Michael Blood Meteorites & Didgeridoos for sale at:
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
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Hi Mike,<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sorry, again, you are mistaken. =
All I did was hit &quot;Reply All.&quot; It went<BR>
only to the email addresses you originally set. Check the list archives if<=
BR>
you doubt my word. <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Michael <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>
on 4/6/03 8:14 PM, Michael Farmer at farmerm_at_concentric.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Michael this was a private em=
ail from me to you. Thanks for putting it public. The point is the same. you=
 are praising someone for something when they did the exact opposite. That i=
s my point. <BR>
Mike Farmer<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<B>From:</B> Michael L Blood &lt;mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net&gt; &nbsp;<BR>
<B>To:</B> Michael Farmer &lt;mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net&gt; &nbsp;; Ada=
m Hupe &lt;mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com&gt; &nbsp;; meteorite-list@meteoritecen=
tral.com <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:02 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two<BR>
<BR>
Hi Mike,<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sorry, I had no idea you would take my=
 comments personally. <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sincerely, Michael <BR>
<BR>
on 4/6/03 7:20 PM, Michael Farmer at farmerm_at_concentric.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Michael, I am sorry to burst =
your bubble, but Adam did exactly EXACTLY that! He was in the room and offer=
ed $15 k for the meteorite I had just bought for $12K. Can't people just fri=
gging tell things like they are? <BR>
Mike Farmer<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<B>From:</B> Michael L Blood &lt;mailto:mlblood_at_cox.net&gt; &nbsp;<BR>
<B>To:</B> Adam Hupe &lt;mailto:adamhupe_at_attbi.com&gt; &nbsp;; meteorite-li=
st_at_meteoritecentral.com <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:15 AM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest - Round Two<BR>
<BR>
Hi Adam,<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Excellent post. You and Greg are two of the =
few sane dealers who <BR>
have an awareness about the price impact of your actions. Amazing<BR>
TOTALLY amazing how rare this is. <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have been harping on this subject my entir=
e career and have<BR>
turned up the volume since the Monahans event (interesting I have<BR>
become good friends with Steve since then and have a great deal of<BR>
respect for him). However, I have yet to meet a dealer who can hear<BR>
a word I say on the topic. They seam to either &quot;get it&quot; or not an=
d <BR>
nothing said affects them one way or the other.<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I heard of dealers negotiating with people i=
n Park Forrest only<BR>
to have another dealer rudely interrupt with, &quot;Hell, I'll give you mor=
e<BR>
than THAT for it!&quot; right on the spot. This is the kind of unthinking<B=
R>
avarice that impacts price - not your report to the list you referenced.<BR=
>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thank you for being a conscientious dealer -=
 and a damned good<BR>
reporter, too. <BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sincerely, Michael Blood <BR>
<BR>
on 4/6/03 10:39 AM, Adam Hupe at adamhupe_at_attbi.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Dear List,<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Here we go again! &nbsp;I am personally g=
lad to be home after spending five intense days in the so-called &quot;Urban=
 Strewnfield&quot;. &nbsp;For those of you who were not able to go you did n=
ot miss much. &nbsp;The weather was horrible, most of the neighborhood was r=
ough and the greed was amazing. &nbsp;<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">My brother, Greg arrived yesterday and me=
t up with Al Lang to pick up an entire bedroom that had been hammered by one=
 of these stones. &nbsp;We will reconstruct the bedroom with the ceiling tha=
t had two holes punched in it, the venetian blinds that were split down the =
center, a metal windowsill with a huge impact crater and a mirror that was s=
hattered, all hit by the same meteorite that thankfully missed a boy by inch=
es as he was sleeping. &nbsp;This collection will be displayed proudly next =
to the Peekskill car in a private museum. &nbsp;We plan on possibly displayi=
ng the collection at the Tucson show next year if there is enough interest. =
&nbsp;We acquired several other impacted items from all over the strewn fiel=
d and will integrate them into another interpretive display. This represents=
 the world's largest collection of man-made objects impacted by meteorites. =
&nbsp;We feel it is important to preserve these historical items for future =
generations to enjoy. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">On another note:<BR>
Why couldn't the meteorite have landed somewhere in a rural area?, maybe ne=
xt time. &nbsp;I do not believe the prices would have been so high if the st=
ones where recovered by farmers and ranch-hands. &nbsp;Word spread like wild=
 fire in the Park Forest neighborhood about prices being realized for stones=
 that hit things. &nbsp;These street-smart finders then played a lot of deal=
ers and collectors in the field for as much money as they could get and now =
everybody is paying the price. &nbsp;You can blame dealers who lacked the pa=
tience to negotiate better prices and manage the situation in a professional=
 manner for these high prices. &nbsp;Instead money was thrown around excitin=
g the neighborhood into a feeding frenzy. &nbsp;I owned up to my part in thi=
s whole thing with a post called &quot;Park Forest - the pulling of teeth&qu=
ot;. &nbsp;If I contributed in anyway to the high prices, I apologize. &nbsp=
;I admit there were a few times when we paid more than we should have. <BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Wishing everybody well,<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Adam Hupe<BR>
IMCA 2185<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so<B=
R>
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.<BR>
 &nbsp;Bertrand Russell<BR>
--<BR>
Worth Seeing:<BR>
- &nbsp;Earth at night from satelite:<BR>
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg<BR>
- Interactive Lady Liberty:<BR>
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm<BR>
- Earth - variety of choices:<BR>
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html <BR>
--<BR>
Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:<BR>
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Me=
teorCraterRimL.html<BR>
--<BR>
Cool Calendar &amp; Clock:<BR>
http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html<BR>
--<BR>
Michael Blood Meteorites &amp; Didgeridoos for sale at:<BR>
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so<B=
R>
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;Bertrand Russell<BR>
--<BR>
Worth Seeing:<BR>
- &nbsp;Earth at night from satelite:<BR>
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg<BR>
- Interactive Lady Liberty:<BR>
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm<BR>
- Earth - variety of choices:<BR>
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html <BR>
--<BR>
Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:<BR>
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Me=
teorCraterRimL.html<BR>
--<BR>
Cool Calendar &amp; Clock:<BR>
 http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html<BR>
--<BR>
Michael Blood Meteorites &amp; Didgeridoos for sale at:<BR>
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so<B=
R>
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.<BR>
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Bertrand Russell<BR>
--<BR>
Worth Seeing:<BR>
- &nbsp;Earth at night from satelite:<BR>
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg<BR>
- Interactive Lady Liberty:<BR>
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm<BR>
- Earth - variety of choices:<BR>
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html <BR>
--<BR>
Panoramic view of Meteor Crater:<BR>
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Me=
teorCraterRimL.html<BR>
--<BR>
Cool Calendar &amp; Clock:<BR>
 &nbsp;http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html<BR>
--<BR>
Michael Blood Meteorites &amp; Didgeridoos for sale at:<BR>
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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