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From: Frederic Janik <fred_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:13:10 2004
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Thanks Pekka.=0D
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So we will not have a Pitsusj=E4rvi meteorite then :(=0D
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Have a nice week-end all=0D
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FJ=0D
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From: Pekka Savolainen=0D
Date: samedi 26 avril 2003 14:14:11=0D
To: Frederic Janik=0D
Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com; meteorit-l@ursa.fi=0D
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New fall in Finland!=0D
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Hello, Frederic and the list,=0D
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We was contacted Johannes Kultima yesterday, and it seems, =0D
the hole is not meteorite-origin, there are 2 layers of ice on=0D
the lake, and the bottom layer of ice is intact.=0D
No pieces was found on ice or between the layers. So the most =0D
possible explanation is, the flood water between two ice layers =0D
has been in high pressure and is erupted trough the weak upper layer =0D
and made the hole.=0D
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Also the structure of the hole is not at all like any meteorite-made =0D
I have seen. This kind of smaller holes are quite commmon here=0D
in the spring-time, this one just happened to be a bigger one... =0D
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So, at the moment I=B4m 99% sure, this is a hoax. The "bolide" mentioned=0D
in the news seems to be some brighter one from Lyrides. There were also=0D
a brighter one sporadic one reported in the middle of Finland, but this w=
as=0D
too far from the Lake Pitusj=E4rvi and also too small to be a dropper.=0D
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Mr. Kultima has taken several samples from the broken ice, and they=B4ll=0D
be checked in the university of Helsinki next week by prof. Martti
Lehtinen=B4s =0D
team. Anyway, also prof. Lehtinen=B4s opinion at the moment is, the hole=
is
made =0D
by the flood water.=0D
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have a nice weekend,=0D
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pekka =0D
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Frederic Janik wrote:=0D
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Hi Everyone. This was all over the news in here.=0D
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Have a nice week-end.=0D
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Fr=E9d=E9ric Janik=0D
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http://ww2.yle.fi/pls/show/page?id=3D221951 =0D
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Experts Look for Meteorite in Finnish Lapland=0D
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25.04.2003, 20.27=0D
A meteorite is believed to have come down in the far north-western =93arm=
=94 of
Finnish Lapland. A large hole appeared sometime between Monday and Wednes=
day
in the ice of Lake Pitsusj=E4rvi. On Tuesday a bright light was seen in t=
he
sky. =0D
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According to Johannes Kultima, an expert at the Geophysical Observatory o=
f
Sodankyl=E4, the flash and the hole may have been the result of a meteori=
te. =0D
Another possible cause of such a hole could be flood water that got stuck
between layers of ice. =0D
The hole in the ice is about three metres wide and seven metres long, and
there is no radiation coming from it. =0D
Researchers from the Sodankyl=E4 Observatory went to Pitsusj=E4rvi to exa=
mine
the site on Friday. =0D
A total of 13 meteorites have been found in Finland so far. =0D
YLE Radio News Finnish News Agency =0D
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Pekka Savolainen=0D
Jokiharjuntie 4=0D
FIN-71330 Rasala=0D
FINLAND=0D
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+ 358 400 818 912=0D
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<DIV>Thanks Pekka.</DIV>
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<DIV>So we will not have a Pitsusj=E4rvi meteorite then :(</DIV>
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<DIV>Have a nice week-end all</DIV>
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<DIV>FJ<BR> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> samedi 26 av=
ril 2003 14:14:11</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href=3D"mai=
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orite-list] New fall in Finland!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR><BR>Hello, Frederic and the list,<BR><BR>We&nbsp=
; was contacted Johannes Kultima yesterday, and it seems, <BR>the hole is=
not meteorite-origin,  there are 2 layers of ice on<BR>the lake, an=
d the bottom layer of ice is intact.<BR>No pieces was found on ice or bet=
ween the layers. So the most <BR>possible explanation is, the flood water=
between two ice layers <BR>has been in high pressure and is erupted trou=
gh the weak upper layer <BR>and made the hole.<BR><BR>Also the structure =
of the hole is not at all like any meteorite-made <BR>I have seen. This k=
ind of smaller holes are quite commmon here<BR>in the spring-time, this o=
ne just happened to be a bigger one... <BR><BR>So, at the moment I=B4m 99=
% sure, this is a hoax. The "bolide" mentioned<BR>in the news seems to be=
some brighter one from Lyrides. There were also<BR>a brighter one sporad=
ic one reported in the middle of Finland, but this was<BR>too far from th=
e Lake Pitusj=E4rvi and also too small to be a dropper.<BR><BR>Mr. Kultim=
a has taken several samples from the broken ice, and they=B4ll<BR>be chec=
ked in  the university of Helsinki next week by prof. Martti Lehtine=
n=B4s <BR>team. Anyway, also prof. Lehtinen=B4s  opinion at the mome=
nt is, the hole is made <BR>by the flood water.<BR><BR>have a nice weeken=
d,<BR><BR>pekka <BR><BR>Frederic Janik wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem>Hi Everyone. This was all over the news =
in here.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem>Have a nice week-end.</FONT></STRONG></D=
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<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DSystem>Fr=E9d=E9ric Janik</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif"><STRONG><A href=
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<DIV><I><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D1>25.=
04.2003, 20.27</FONT></I></DIV></TD></TR>
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<TD><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2=
>A meteorite is believed to have come down in the far north-western =93ar=
m=94 of Finnish Lapland. A large hole appeared sometime between Monday an=
d Wednesday in the ice of Lake Pitsusj=E4rvi. On Tuesday a bright light w=
as seen in the sky. </FONT></STRONG></TD>
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<TD><FONT face=3D"Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2>Accordin=
g to Johannes Kultima, an expert at the Geophysical Observatory of Sodank=
yl=E4, the flash and the hole may have been the result of a meteorite. </=
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<P><FONT face=3D"Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2>Another p=
ossible cause of such a hole could be flood water that got stuck between =
layers of ice. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2>The hole =
in the ice is about three metres wide and seven metres long, and there is=
no radiation coming from it. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2>Researche=
rs from the Sodankyl=E4 Observatory went to Pitsusj=E4rvi to examine the =
site on Friday. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2>A total o=
f 13 meteorites have been found in Finland so far. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Verdana,Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif" size=3D2><I>YLE Ra=
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