[meteorite-list] Elma Status?

From: Charles R. Viau <cviau_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:16:30 2004
Message-ID: <006801c35c8c$9ed100a0$1800a8c0_at_chupa>

Given the reputation of the people examining this stuff, how busy they
are, and the amount of time they are willing to spend on this - It's not
crap. It is probably more related to a tektite than anything else if one
were to summon up a simile , and how did pieces of this wind up embedded
in a telephone pole? - I think the Hupe brothers , as well as the PhD's
in those labs are doing their job because they believe there is
scientific merit in doing so, and no matter what the outcome, they need
to know what it is because it passed through the filters that would have
tossed 'crap' out 2 weeks ago. Perhaps, if you had some of this stuff
you might feel different.

Charlyv

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
To: Adam Hupe; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?

Give me a break people, this is retarded. Yep, YE HAA PA saw that there
little glass chunks fall out of the sky and they burnded my hands two
weeks
later!
Why waste time on this crap.
Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?


> Hi Tom,
>
> No glass manufacturing process would use this kind of sand because of
it
> impurities and why would glass be spread into a shot-put pit where
kids
> could get cut on the sharp edges? I am not going to speculate too
much
more
> until we get more lab results. Two other labs have weighed in on this
> occurrence and it just keeps getting odder.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
>
>
> > Hello All, How about a glass manufacturing bi-product?
> > Thanks, Tom
> > Peregrineflier <><
> > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Tom and List,
> > >
> > > The problem with this material is that it does not contain any
metal.
> If
> > it
> > > was in a reducing environment why isn't there any metal, even at
> > microprobe
> > > levels? This almost certainly eliminates this material coming
from an
> > > industrial process, at least none that I have ever heard of. If
it
came
> > > from a foundry why wasn't the sand melted in the center. The sand
is
> also
> > > trapped in sealed vesicles, that look almost like chondrules, like
a
> > > condensation product, which is extremely odd. It was extremely
> difficult
> > to
> > > make thin-sections of this stuff because of the friability of the
> material
> > > trapped inside.
> > >
> > > Will update as we get more results,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> > > To: "mafer" <mafer_at_imagineopals.com>; "Adam Hupe"
<adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > Cc: "meteor central" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello All, This Elma stuff sounds like a metal casting
bi-product
from
> a
> > > > foundry. Is there a foundry in our around Elma?
> > > > Thanks, Tom
> > > > Peregrineflier <><
> > > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: mafer <mafer_at_imagineopals.com>
> > > > To: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > Cc: meteor central <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and smoldering
> pieces
> > of
> > > > > "basaltic" glass with sand inside, sounds like some
atmospheric
> event
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:22 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mike, Mike and List,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Elma material is definitely not a meteorite, so to
speak.
It
> > > could
> > > > > > prove to be just as or more interesting to the scientific
> community.
> > > > The
> > > > > > jury is still out on exactly what this material is or how it
was
> > > > created.
> > > > > > The initial lab results created more questions than answers.
As
> has
> > > been
> > > > > > reported this material consist of sand incased in a basaltic
glass
> > > > shell.
> > > > > > The materials in the glass are not separated into swirls so
what
> > ever
> > > > > > created these objects had a huge amount of energy and the
glass
> was
> > > > > quenched
> > > > > > very rapidly. Experiments are being conducted to see how
these
> might
> > > > have
> > > > > > been created. We should have more answers by next week.
This
is
> > > > looking
> > > > > > more like an X-files episode than a meteor sighting. For
now,
we
> > are
> > > > > > keeping an open mind regarding this material.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
> > > > > > To: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444_at_yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
> > > > > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in hell
that
> a
> > > > > > meteorite
> > > > > > > was recovered there.
> > > > > > > Mike Farmer
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everyone-
> > > > > > > > Is this all said and done with or is the jury still
> > > > > > > > out with any maybe's?
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
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