[meteorite-list] Elma Status?

From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:16:30 2004
Message-ID: <021101c35cbf$9dad6000$b4dbe60c_at_attbi.com>

Hey Mike and Dear List,

Ex and current NASA scientist know the difference between tar and glass.
Maybe you should have an open mind because you would be blown away by the
lab results if you truly understood mineralogy. This is definitely not tar,
only somebody with a closed mind and no understanding of chemistry would
make such a statement, go back to school.

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
To: "Charles R. Viau" <cviau_at_beld.net>; "'Adam Hupe'"
<adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?


> Well, It CANNOT be a tekite, tektites are made by large impacts melting
the
> impacted rock. these were found in a telephone pole! My god, every
telephone
> pole I have ever seen is covered in tar or whatever weird melted black
stuff
> they use, sort of like tar on house roofs, which I believe that the Hupes
> also "found" in the debris from my printer-smashing Park Forest. HMMMM
tiny
> little melted tektites found on the floor under the smashed shingles and
> tarred roof, more little melted glass like "tektites" found in and round a
> telephone pole at the site of a stupid hoax that got way more attention
than
> it should have. I see a curious pattern forming here. Maybe there were
some
> "bugs" smashed into the tar so we have little "spidy" creatures like the
> Frass meteorite.
> Charles. I have never heard of you, but I assure you that I know
just
> a tad more than you might think, and I assure you that this is a waste of
> scientific time.
> It defies the most simple things that we know about meteorites, thus
making
> it bogus.
>
> Mike Farmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles R. Viau" <cviau_at_beld.net>
> To: "'Michael Farmer'" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>; "'Adam Hupe'"
> <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
>
>
> > Given the reputation of the people examining this stuff, how busy they
> > are, and the amount of time they are willing to spend on this - It's not
> > crap. It is probably more related to a tektite than anything else if one
> > were to summon up a simile , and how did pieces of this wind up embedded
> > in a telephone pole? - I think the Hupe brothers , as well as the PhD's
> > in those labs are doing their job because they believe there is
> > scientific merit in doing so, and no matter what the outcome, they need
> > to know what it is because it passed through the filters that would have
> > tossed 'crap' out 2 weeks ago. Perhaps, if you had some of this stuff
> > you might feel different.
> >
> > Charlyv
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > Farmer
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:35 PM
> > To: Adam Hupe; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> >
> > Give me a break people, this is retarded. Yep, YE HAA PA saw that there
> > little glass chunks fall out of the sky and they burnded my hands two
> > weeks
> > later!
> > Why waste time on this crap.
> > Mike Farmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > No glass manufacturing process would use this kind of sand because of
> > it
> > > impurities and why would glass be spread into a shot-put pit where
> > kids
> > > could get cut on the sharp edges? I am not going to speculate too
> > much
> > more
> > > until we get more lab results. Two other labs have weighed in on this
> > > occurrence and it just keeps getting odder.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>;
> > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello All, How about a glass manufacturing bi-product?
> > > > Thanks, Tom
> > > > Peregrineflier <><
> > > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:08 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Tom and List,
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with this material is that it does not contain any
> > metal.
> > > If
> > > > it
> > > > > was in a reducing environment why isn't there any metal, even at
> > > > microprobe
> > > > > levels? This almost certainly eliminates this material coming
> > from an
> > > > > industrial process, at least none that I have ever heard of. If
> > it
> > came
> > > > > from a foundry why wasn't the sand melted in the center. The sand
> > is
> > > also
> > > > > trapped in sealed vesicles, that look almost like chondrules, like
> > a
> > > > > condensation product, which is extremely odd. It was extremely
> > > difficult
> > > > to
> > > > > make thin-sections of this stuff because of the friability of the
> > > material
> > > > > trapped inside.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will update as we get more results,
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>
> > > > > To: "mafer" <mafer_at_imagineopals.com>; "Adam Hupe"
> > <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > > Cc: "meteor central" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello All, This Elma stuff sounds like a metal casting
> > bi-product
> > from
> > > a
> > > > > > foundry. Is there a foundry in our around Elma?
> > > > > > Thanks, Tom
> > > > > > Peregrineflier <><
> > > > > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: mafer <mafer_at_imagineopals.com>
> > > > > > To: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > > > Cc: meteor central <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and smoldering
> > > pieces
> > > > of
> > > > > > > "basaltic" glass with sand inside, sounds like some
> > atmospheric
> > > event
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
> > > > > > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:22 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Mike, Mike and List,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Elma material is definitely not a meteorite, so to
> > speak.
> > It
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > > prove to be just as or more interesting to the scientific
> > > community.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > jury is still out on exactly what this material is or how it
> > was
> > > > > > created.
> > > > > > > > The initial lab results created more questions than answers.
> > As
> > > has
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > reported this material consist of sand incased in a basaltic
> > glass
> > > > > > shell.
> > > > > > > > The materials in the glass are not separated into swirls so
> > what
> > > > ever
> > > > > > > > created these objects had a huge amount of energy and the
> > glass
> > > was
> > > > > > > quenched
> > > > > > > > very rapidly. Experiments are being conducted to see how
> > these
> > > might
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been created. We should have more answers by next week.
> > This
> > is
> > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > more like an X-files episode than a meteor sighting. For
> > now,
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > keeping an open mind regarding this material.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Michael Farmer" <farmerm_at_concentric.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444_at_yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
> > > > > > > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in hell
> > that
> > > a
> > > > > > > > meteorite
> > > > > > > > > was recovered there.
> > > > > > > > > Mike Farmer
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Mike Groetz" <mpg444_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Everyone-
> > > > > > > > > > Is this all said and done with or is the jury still
> > > > > > > > > > out with any maybe's?
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
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