[meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL

From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <mcomemeteorite2000_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:22:44 2004
Message-ID: <20030629114948.80289.qmail_at_web10305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all


If the email where I have write " no send the payment
" is not arrive is not a my fault, I have sent this
and I feel myself calm and with the soul in peace,
until already I had replaced on ebay the piece buy and
I removed it again just when I received the payment.
I think of not to have ever teased no on Ebay and the
positive list of my feedback gives of it fit, except
for a small easily eliminable spot.
Regards

Matteo

--- Charlie Devine <moonrock25_at_webtv.net> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom
> Matteo is suggesting be
> blackballed on ebay because I left him negative
> feedback.
> I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our
> differences on this list.
> When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was
> very lucky I was
> keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has
> decided to slam me in
> public, so, to set the record straight, here is why
> Matteo is so upset
> with me.
>
> It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was
> a very special fall
> in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always
> been more on the
> history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest
> had it all in my
> eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a
> fall that would rank
> as very historic. I resolved that I would try to
> acquire as many
> samples of the various hammers or "house smashers"
> as I could.
> It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in
> reaching my specific
> goals.
>
> Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few
> hours after Matteo
> listed it:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504
>
> This listing gave the unmistakable impression that
> the seller was
> offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of
> the PF Firestation!
> With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I
> thought, "wow, what a
> way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I
> also thought "I
> thought the PF town council had decided to sell this
> stone to a museum?"
> I then did what I've never done before. Bid first (
> or in this case
> "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this
> really were a piece
> of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end
> with a buy-now before
> Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the
> auction and
> immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would
> send payment if he
> could provide the evidence that this was indeed from
> the PF Firestation
> hammer. His reply did not really address my
> question. He told me that
> he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from
> the Hupes. He told
> me he had a slice from this stone on his collection
> page. He did, and
> it was captioned "Firestation stone".
>
> I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not
> around. I decided to
> sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember
> that Michael did
> offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the
> street from the
> firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a
> piece of this stone
> that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told
> him he must be in
> error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his
> ebay fees since I had
> bid first and asked questions later. A small loss
> for me, no loss for
> Matteo.
>
> Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could
> believe one of 2
> things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a
> liar, or I could
> believe the slice came from the stone that
> penetrated the roof of the
> firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting
> it that way, I "fell
> for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of
> being told what I
> really wanted to hear and believing it I guess.
>
> Several days went bye when I noticed a post from
> Michael to the list.
> Seeing that he was around I contacted him and
> discovered my memory had
> been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on
> his pre-post list
> and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo
> bought from him
> came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also
> fwd me a copy of his
> old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and
> presented it as
> evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which
> was now enroute to me,
> was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply
> was that perhaps the
> description "fell across the steet" from the
> firestation had been lost
> in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer,
> as I expected he
> would, and as I would have immediately done myself,
> a refund or other
> form of adjustment that would make up for his
> misrepresentation of this
> auction listing.
>
> When the item arrived, I left negative feedback.
> That feedback simply stated the truth of the matter.
> I did not demand a
> refund that I felt the seller should have offered me
> of his own free
> will. I wrote it off as a gamble on my part, a
> gamble I had lost.
>
> After I had posted the feedback, Matteo contacted me
> and reminded me
> that he had told me if I did not believe the piece
> was from the stone
> that hit the firestation, I did not have to send
> payment. He has
> repeated this claim on this list. Matteo, as I told
> you yesterday, I do
> not like being lied to. I told you that I have
> saved all your emails.
> And I state catagorically:
> at no time did you tell me not to send payment.
> Rather, you told me that if it were not from the
> stone that hit the
> station, then Blood was a liar.
> Since I don't believe that Michael is a liar, and it
> didn't dawn on me
> that you might be misleading me, you got paid and I
> own a pretty
> expensive slice of "ordinary" PF.
>
> In closing, I want to state, that I left Matteo
> negative feedback
> because I felt I was lied to.
> While the feedback was strongly worded, I'm not all
> bent out of shape
> about what happened.
> I accept responsibility for my "bid now, ask
> questions later" approach.
> If Matteo had simply agreed to my offer to pay his
> ebay fees for the
> item I purchased, there would be no negative
> feedback and I would'nt be
> offering a long-winded expaination of a matter that
> Matteo should have
> kept between the 2 of us. Again, I am sorry that
> this business is being
> aired in public. I do hope this is the last word
> that anyone expects
> from me on this matter.
>
> Best wishes,
> Charlie
>
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net>
> To: Tom aka James Knudson
> <knudson911_at_frontiernet.net>, Ken O'Neill
> <kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com>,
> "Meteorite-List (E-mail)"
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>, M come
> Meteorite Meteorites <mcomemeteorite2000_at_yahoo.it>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY
> and DOUBLE GAUL
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:32:57 -0700
>
> Ken, Tom, Matteo & all,
> Let me put a bloody end to all this
> nonsense, right now.
> Matteo, if you hadn't had the GAUL to slam
> a good person
> yesterday, as per below, I would have kept my bloody
> mouth
> shut. I quote you as follows from yesterday's post
> to the list:
> --
> Hello all
> I addvise all to stop this ID in your ebay spam
> list,
> the person in matter buy from me a slice of PF that
> came from the close pavement of the fire station in
> park forest. By mistake I had written that it came
> from the roof of the station, but I said him that it
> was able not to buy it and I I replaced it in sale.
> The person instead buy the same the piece and put a
> negative feedback to me, a behavior from idiotic
> truth. Block this person if do not want to have
> surprised.
> ID: shawomet
> --
> Now, as for this buyer whom you claim did
> you wrong:
> This is a customer of mine, Matteo. He saw the same
> post
> from me off of which you bought the Park Forrest (at
> $25/g,
> which is $5/g more than you paid Steve Arnold - it
> is
> OBVIOUS you are the person who wanted him to refund
> your $ - anyone who has dealt with you recognizes
> the same
> o same o with Steve and with John - clear as a bell)
> So, this customer contacts me and asks if I
> miswrote
> in my ad that it fell ACCROSS THE STREET from the
> Fire Station, or did it actually hit the fire
> station. I explained
> it fell accross the street and that you had a hard
> time with
> English and perhaps missworded your statement, AS I
> HAD
> BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH YOU UPON PURCHASE ABOUT THIS
> PARTICULAR SPECIMEN, as we exchanged emails until
> there
> could be NO DOUBT in your mind.
> Now, Matteo, you are claiming a VERY
> different story
> than this customer, who said in attempts to clarify
> with
> you, you were emphatic about this stone hitting the
> fire
> station.
> Now you email the list bad mouthing him
> because he
> filed a negative eBay feedback on you.....
> And you have the astonishingly poor taste
> to do this
> while the whole list is up in arms about you mewling
> about
> a deal with Steve Arnold (go ahead, I double dog
> dare you
> to deny it is you) ABOUT MATERIAL FROM THE SAME
> FALL!!!
> I have long suspected your understanding is
> greater than
> you let on. I will no longer give you the benefit
> of the doubt.
> Your credibility is ZERO with me.
> Like I said, I wouldn't even have commented
> on this
> thread at all if you hadn't audaciously bad mouthed
> "showamet" to this list yesterday. Just last week, I
> made up
> a list of eBay names and anyone and everyone can
> look up
> this is Charlie Devine.
> When I have something to say to people, I say it
> to their face,
> but your public slander of this person's good name
> is absolutely
> amazing and has pushed me over the edge.
> Sincerely, Michael L. Blood
>
>
>
> > on 6/28/03 2:30 PM, Tom aka James Knudson at
> > knudson911_at_frontiernet.net
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello List, Ken wrote;
> > > "we still haven't heard both sides."
> > >
> > > That is because there is not an "other side".
> The
> > guy is wrong and has no
> > > leg to stand on!
> > > Thanks, Tom
> > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ken O'Neill <kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com>
> > > To: Meteorite-List (E-mail)
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:26 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> I was of the opinion tending towards a refund.
> I
> > must now admit that in
> > > this
> > >> particular case this would not now be my
> > decision.
> > >> A dealer should really be "on the ball" with
> > regards to pricing.
> > >> Each case must be judged on it's merits, we
> still
> > haven't heard both
> > > sides.
> > >> Has the other side any merit ?
> > >>
> > >> A very interesting thread.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Ken O'Neill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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>
>
> on 6/28/03 2:30 PM, Tom aka James Knudson at
> knudson911_at_frontiernet.net
> wrote:
>
> > Hello List, Ken wrote;
> > "we still haven't heard both sides."
> >
> > That is because there is not an "other side". The
> guy is wrong and has no
> > leg to stand on!
> > Thanks, Tom
> > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ken O'Neill <kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com>
> > To: Meteorite-List (E-mail)
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
> >
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I was of the opinion tending towards a refund. I
> must now admit that in
> > this
> >> particular case this would not now be my
> decision.
> >> A dealer should really be "on the ball" with
> regards to pricing.
> >> Each case must be judged on it's merits, we still
> haven't heard both
> > sides.
> >> Has the other side any merit ?
> >>
> >> A very interesting thread.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Ken O'Neill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
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> >> Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>
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