[meteorite-list] weight descrepency

From: Michael Farmer <farmerm_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:25:43 2004
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Steven from Spain eh. I happen to speak fluent spanish. Perhaps you =
would like me to write him for you!=20
Mike Farmer
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steven Drummond=20
  To: Michael Farmer=20
  Cc: meteorite list=20
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency


  Hi Mike, Fortunately it was less than 20 dollars but that's not the =
issue here.
   his name is..............................Carlos Pareja . he is from =
Spain.
               I know when you buy from strangers you take a chance, it =
was only 20 bucks after all. I surely wouldn't buy anything like I buy =
from you from a complete stranger.=20
   I took a chance and ended up buying from a seller without real =
business practice ethics. Oh well. I just wanted to let all the =
other people that bought these(and I know there were some from the list =
that did) know they were screwed out of over half the weight, Obviously =
the other people that bought these have no scale and do not have any =
idea what weight might be just by holding the mass its self. It was very =
obvious to me when I saw the size of the piece I got it couldn't =
possibly weigh 40 grams.
       Yea pretty amazing adding the packing material and box to the =
weight and listing that weight on his header. I explained to him , You =
do not go to the store and get 2 ounces of coke and 14 ounces of bottle =
when you buy a 16 ounce Coke. This I think he either did not care or =
doesn't speak GOODLY enough English to understand this ? Best Regards, =
Steven Drummond=20
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Michael Farmer=20
    To: Steven Drummond ; meteorite list=20
    Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency


    Steven, I have been warning people for years, only buy meteorites =
from known people, you take serious risks when dealing with unknown =
people. This is a classic example. That is absolutely pathetic. Who ever =
heard of doing that. I need to learn that trick. Do you want to give us =
the name of the person so that if I see them in Morocco I can know who =
it is.=20
    mike Farmer
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Steven Drummond=20
      To: meteorite list=20
      Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:03 PM
      Subject: [meteorite-list] weight descrepency


      Hi List, I recently won 2 auctions from a seller at ebay called =
MORFITA. He was auctioning the Rissani Morocco meteorites a few people =
were asking about on the list. in his heading he states the weight of =
the available meteorite, then in the description he states........=20
      "The weight of each item corresponds with its weight when it is =
prepared for ets shipment."

          Now what this really means is that , The weight of this item =
in this auction includes the packing material and the Box it is to be =
shipped in. This is very deceiving.

         Well he has lost 1 of the pieces I bid on and the other weighs =
less than 1/2 of what he had listed in the heading for this =
auction,(because the box And packing material weighed more that the =
meteorite). I should have received 102 grams of meteorite in 2 pieces , =
and I received 1 meteorite that weighed 17.67 gram.=20

         Now I have asked him for one 85 gram meteorite to correct this =
problem. His reply ................. =20

                         " We can send you another meteorite that =
weighed, with the included packing, about 62 grams. =20
      I believe that this it is the best solution, since us in our it =
paginates of ebay we explain that of the weight of the specimens =
clearly." =20

         So I believe he will send around a 30 gram stone this time. I =
have never seen anybody include the packing material and box in the =
weight of what is being offered. And I would never bid on anything this =
small that was not classified. What a deceiving way to advertise your =
products. I certainly will not be bidding on this persons auctions =
again. And maybe next time I will have to decipher the description =
closely before bidding again. =20

        Has anybody on this list ever seen anybody add the weight of the =
packing material and box to the piece and list it as such in the heading =
of the auction ?=20

      I just received a new email from the seller he has changed his =
wording on this matter, But how confusing is this =
statement.................

      "The weight of the specimens is its real weight. When making =
purchases of several specimens, the weight of this specimens are =
increased 50% to calculate the shipping cost. when the packages are =
ready for shipment, we weigh them again, and if it's difference to your =
favor among the shipping cost you have paid and the final shipping cost =
result, we refund you your money.

          Oh well, Have a great day list, Regards, Steven Drummond =
TUC :-) =20

      .



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steven from Spain eh. I happen to speak =
fluent=20
spanish. Perhaps you would like me to write him for you! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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  <A title=3Djesserd44_at_earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net">Steven=20
  Drummond</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Michael Farmer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite list</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 23, 2003 1:15 =
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
weight=20
  descrepency</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Mike, Fortunately it was less than =
20 dollars=20
  but that's not the issue here.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;his name=20
  is..............................Carlos Pareja .&nbsp; he is from=20
  Spain.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
  =
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
  I know when you buy from strangers you take a chance, it was only 20 =
bucks=20
  after all. I surely wouldn't buy anything like I buy from you from a =
complete=20
  stranger. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;I took a chance and ended up =
buying from a=20
  seller without real business practice ethics.&nbsp; Oh =
well.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  I just wanted to let all the other people that bought these(and I know =
there=20
  were some from the list that did) know they were screwed out of over =
half the=20
  weight, Obviously the other people that bought these have no scale and =
do not=20
  have any idea what weight might be just by holding the mass its self. =
It was=20
  very obvious to me when I saw the size of the piece I got it couldn't =
possibly=20
  weigh 40 grams.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Yea pretty =
amazing=20
  adding the packing material and box to the weight and listing that =
weight on=20
  his header. I explained to him , You do not go to the store and get 2 =
ounces=20
  of coke and 14 ounces of bottle when you buy a 16 ounce Coke. This I =
think he=20
  either did not care or doesn't speak&nbsp;<STRONG>GOODLY</STRONG> =
enough=20
  English to understand this ?&nbsp;&nbsp; Best Regards, Steven Drummond =

  </FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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    <A title=3Dfarmerm_at_concentric.net =
href=3D"mailto:farmerm_at_concentric.net">Michael=20
    Farmer</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djesserd44_at_earthlink.net=20
    href=3D"mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net">Steven Drummond</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite =
list</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 23, 2003 =
12:33=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
weight=20
    descrepency</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steven, I have been warning people =
for years,=20
    only buy meteorites from known people, you take serious risks when =
dealing=20
    with unknown people. This is a classic example. That is absolutely =
pathetic.=20
    Who ever heard of doing that. I need to learn that trick. Do you =
want to=20
    give us the name of the person so that if I see them in Morocco I =
can know=20
    who it is. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mike Farmer</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Djesserd44_at_earthlink.net=20
      href=3D"mailto:jesserd44_at_earthlink.net">Steven Drummond</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite =
list</A>=20
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 23, 2003 =
12:03=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] =
weight=20
      descrepency</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi List,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
recently won 2=20
      auctions from a seller at ebay called MORFITA. He was auctioning =
the=20
      Rissani Morocco meteorites a few people were asking about on the=20
      list.&nbsp; in his heading he states the weight of the available=20
      meteorite, then in the description he states........=20
      <P><FONT size=3D4><STRONG>"The weight of each item corresponds =
with its=20
      weight when it is prepared for ets shipment."</STRONG></FONT></P>
      <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Now what this really means is that , The =
weight of=20
      this&nbsp;item in this auction includes the packing material and =
the Box=20
      it is to be shipped in.&nbsp; This is very deceiving.</P>
      <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; Well he has lost 1 of the pieces I bid on and the =
other=20
      weighs less than 1/2 of what he had listed in the heading for this =

      auction,(because the box And packing material weighed more that =
the=20
      meteorite).&nbsp;I should have received 102 grams of meteorite in =
2 pieces=20
      , and I received 1 meteorite that weighed 17.67 gram. </P>
      <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; Now I have asked him for&nbsp;one &nbsp;85 gram =
meteorite=20
      to correct this problem. His reply =
.................&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>
      =
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      "&nbsp;We can send you another meteorite that weighed, with the =
included=20
      packing, about&nbsp;62 &nbsp;grams.&nbsp; <BR>I believe that this =
it is=20
      the best solution, since us in our it paginates of ebay we explain =
that of=20
      the weight of the specimens=20
      clearly."&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </P>
      <P>&nbsp;&nbsp; So I believe he will send around a 30 gram stone =
this=20
      time. I have never seen anybody include the packing material and =
box in=20
      the weight of what is being offered. And I would never bid on =
anything=20
      this small that was not classified. What a deceiving way to =
advertise your=20
      products. I certainly will not be bidding on this persons auctions =
again.=20
      And maybe next time I will have to decipher the description =
closely before=20
      bidding again.&nbsp; </P>
      <P>&nbsp; Has anybody on this list ever seen anybody add the =
weight of the=20
      packing material and box to the piece and list it as such in the =
heading=20
      of the auction ? </P>
      <P>I just received a new email from the seller he has changed his =
wording=20
      on this matter, But how confusing is this =
statement.................</P>
      <P><FONT size=3D4><STRONG>"The weight of the specimens is its real =
weight.=20
      When making purchases of several specimens, the weight of this =
specimens=20
      are increased 50% to calculate the shipping cost. when the =
packages are=20
      ready for shipment, we weigh them again, and if it's difference to =
your=20
      favor among the shipping cost you have paid and the final shipping =
cost=20
      result, we refund you your money.</STRONG></FONT></P>
      <P><FONT size=3D4><STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </STRONG></FONT><FONT =
size=3D2>Oh=20
      well,&nbsp; Have a great day list,&nbsp;&nbsp; Regards, Steven=20
      Drummond&nbsp;&nbsp; TUC&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; </FONT></P>
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