[meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite

From: fcressy <fcressy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:46 2004
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Hello all,
I believe that the Chicxulub crater is buried by a couple thousand feet =
of Tertiary sediments so wouldn't expect to find any material in beach =
sands in the Chicxulub area. I think the closest area where K/T =
impactite material is exposed is along the Mexico/Belize border. I guess =
the material offered still could be of meteoritic origin but certainly =
is not material from the K/T boundary, or as stated, from "the Big One". =

My 2 cents,
Frank
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: magellon=20
  To: Dave Harris ; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite


  Dave,=20
  A better example is here: (more ridiculous excuses)=20
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2200664192=20

  I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the material.=20
  he wrote: "I took a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to Chicxulub =
-& used=20
  a magnet for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test =
at home.=20
  Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes & metal =
balls=20
  from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my results are =
open=20
  to the jugdement of others with better equipment. While i do have a=20
  2 week return policy if any customer would complain i would refund at =
any time.=20
  Fair? If you can get a hold of better equipment i would be willing to =
send=20
  you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie M-M"=20

  I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders and (2) send a sample =
to NEMS=20
  to first verify if was meteoritic.=20
  He added the addendum but didn't send any to NEMS.=20
  (He indicated it was because he had less than a gram)=20
  Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for sale.=20
  So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual Chicxulub =
meteorite=20
  as advertised.=20

  Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article saying that drill samplings =
show that=20
  the meteorite was probably a carbonaceous chondrite.=20
  Even this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof that=20
  any original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer.=20
   http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html=20

  Best,=20
  ken newton=20
  #9632=20
   =20
   =20
   =20

  Dave Harris wrote:=20

    Hi folks,=20
    I would be grateful for a bit of input re this eBAy item below.=20

    =
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D3239&item=3D2200=
663512=20

    What has impressed me is that there is no Frass rant, or BCC rant or =
Mo=20
    Yousef insistance. This is a good start for a scientific discussion =
as=20
    already we haven't got our backs up over this!=20

    thoughts please!!!=20

    very best=20

    dave=20

    IMCA #0092=20

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I believe that the Chicxulub crater is buried by a =
couple=20
thousand feet of Tertiary sediments so wouldn't expect to find any =
material in=20
beach sands in the Chicxulub area. I think the closest area where K/T =
impactite=20
material is exposed is along the Mexico/Belize border. I guess the =
material=20
offered still could be of meteoritic origin but certainly is not =
material from=20
the K/T boundary, or as stated, from "the Big One". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My 2 cents,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Frank</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:magellon_at_earthlink.net"=20
  title=3Dmagellon_at_earthlink.net>magellon</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com" =
title=3Dentropydave_at_ntlworld.com>Dave=20
  Harris</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com"=20
  =
title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentr=
al.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 09, 2003 =
9:56=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
Chicxulub=20
  Meteorite</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Dave,=20
  <P>A better example is here: (more ridiculous excuses) <BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D22006641=
92">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D2200664192</=
A>=20

  <P>I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the material. <BR>he wrote: =
"I took=20
  a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to Chicxulub -&amp; used <BR>a =
magnet=20
  for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test at home.=20
  <BR>Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes &amp; =
metal=20
  balls <BR>from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my =
results=20
  are open <BR>to the jugdement of others with better&nbsp; equipment. =
While i=20
  do have a <BR>2 week return policy if any customer would complain i =
would=20
  refund at any time. <BR>Fair? If you can get a hold of better =
equipment i=20
  would be willing to send <BR>you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie =
M-M"=20
  <P>I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders and (2)&nbsp; send a =
sample=20
  to NEMS <BR>to first verify if was&nbsp; meteoritic. <BR>He added the =
addendum=20
  but didn't send any to NEMS. <BR>(He indicated it was because he had =
less than=20
  a gram) <BR>Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for =
sale.=20
  <BR>So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual =
Chicxulub=20
  meteorite <BR>as advertised.=20
  <P>Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article saying that drill =
samplings show=20
  that <BR>the meteorite was probably a&nbsp; carbonaceous chondrite. =
<BR>Even=20
  this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof&nbsp; that <BR>any =

  original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer. =
<BR>&nbsp;<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html">http://www.nature=
.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html</A>=20

  <P>Best, <BR>ken newton <BR>#9632 <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;=20
  <P>Dave Harris wrote:=20
  <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">Hi folks,=20
    <P>I would be grateful for a bit of input re this eBAy item below.=20
    <P><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=3D3239=
&amp;item=3D2200663512">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp=
;category=3D3239&amp;item=3D2200663512</A>=20

    <P>What has impressed me is that there is no Frass rant, or BCC rant =
or Mo=20
    <BR>Yousef insistance.&nbsp; This is a good start for a scientific=20
    discussion as <BR>already we haven't got our backs up over this!=20
    <P>thoughts please!!!=20
    <P>very best=20
    <P>dave=20
    <P>IMCA #0092=20
    <P>______________________________________________ <BR>Meteorite-list =
mailing=20
    list <BR>Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com <BR><A=20
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