[meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing

From: Tom aka James Knudson <knudson911_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:27:49 2004
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Hello List, I watched a discovery channel show a few years ago about the =
Chixculub impact and the scientists did, what looked to me, like a very =
thorough search for meteoric material on all the coastlines of the gulf =
of Mexico and found absolutely no meteoric material anywhere. I do not =
remember the name of that black layer that was deposited at the time, =
but they searched that same layer for the meteoric material, the most =
likely place to find it.=20
  So in the real Proud Tom's opinion, I doubt the finder in question =
found any!=20
Thanks, Tom
Peregrineflier <><
Yea, that's right,
The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dave Harris=20
  To: meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net ; metlist=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing


        Hi Mike,
        I have not seen this chap's website, merely the eBay ad and also =
queried it with him. He did not come over as a major loon, and had at =
least submitted the material for testing - I was more concerned about =
your dogmatic statement that there was NO WAY any impactor could =
POSSIBLY exist - which we know is untrue (cf. Lake Murray) and I just =
think that although it is very unlikely to be part of the Chixculub =
impactor, I for one would not just write someone off because of their =
naivety. None of us are perfect in this workaday world and I just =
thought he deserves a dignified treatment instead of being dissed.
        Let's face it, the Frass and BCC thing is obviously the products =
of an unmedicated consciousness - just by virtue of their approach and =
writing you can see that we possibly have an undiagnosed mental health =
condition in them (not for us to judge, of course) and we also put up =
with endless stuff from Yousef and his total arrogance.=20
        I just thought it was a bit refreshing to see a more gentle =
approach to the enquiry. If Dr Kring 'laughed' then I am surprised as =
surely the key to being a scientist is to be open in one's approach, =
fair in research, and accurate in reporting and as non-judgemental as =
possible until all avenues have been explored. I am sure he said it was =
'unlikely' but I bet he'd laugh a lot more at Frass or BCC!

        I have absolutely no idea of the geological processes that have =
occurred in the Chixculub basin over the past 65MY but I still would not =
rule out that tectonic processes would 100% guarantee that the traces of =
impactor would not be consolidated into the upper strata then weathered =
out.

        Who knows? You are almost certainly right - but let's give him =
some credit!

        very best


        dave

        IMCA #0092

        -------Original Message-------

        From: Michael Farmer
        Date: Saturday, November 15, 2003 17:23:16
        To: Dave Harris; metlist
        Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing

        Look, I already discussed this with Dr David Kring, who has been =
working on
        Chixculub for the last 10 years, he laughed so hard he almost =
choked. It is
        not that it is impossible for something to exist, it would =
however be
        kilometers deep, not laying on Cancun's beaches. Just from =
reading the
        story, you can tell who the freaks are from the serious people =
trying to
        figure something out. If he had just asked for help instead of =
putting up
        the glorious eBay site extolling his rare goodies, I would be =
more
        supportive. Dave, do you support the Frass meteorite too? Just =
from looking
        at the guy's site, there is no further need for studying that =
stone.
        Mike Farmer
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Dave Harris" <entropydave_at_ntlworld.com>
        To: "metlist" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:43 AM
        Subject: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing


            HI,
        Mike F., can you explain why you are SO dogmatic that this =
Chixculub
        material cannot not possibly be what it is because "It is =
impossible that
        metalic material would survive millions of years, end of story"?
        Isn't that rather a strong statement? I seem to recall that =
there are a
        number of sites where traces of impactors of about 110mya old =
have been
        found.

        Why not let the academics provide the answer instead of shooting =
from the
        hip all of the time?
        BTW I did not purchase any of this material, but I admired the =
fact that
        Shomin at least is attempting to get a proper result rather than =
like Mo
        Yousef continually insisting that it is meteoritic.
        You should be supporting him, not dissing him

        respectfully yours, of course



        dave

        IMCA #0092

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hello List, I watched a discovery channel show a few =
years ago=20
about the Chixculub impact and the scientists did, what looked to me, =
like a=20
very thorough search for meteoric material on all the coastlines of the =
gulf of=20
Mexico and found absolutely no meteoric material anywhere. I do not =
remember the=20
name of that black layer that was deposited at the time, but they =
searched that=20
same layer for the meteoric material, the most likely place to find it.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp; So in the real Proud Tom's opinion, I doubt =
the finder=20
in question found any! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks, Tom<BR>Peregrineflier &lt;&gt;&lt;<BR>Yea, =
that's=20
right,<BR>The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com" =
title=3Dentropydave_at_ntlworld.com>Dave=20
  Harris</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  title=3Dmeteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>meteoritehunter@comcast.net</A> ; =
<A=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 15, =
2003 10:46=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] =
Chixculub=20
  material testing</DIV>
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        <DIV>Hi Mike,</DIV>
        <DIV>I have not seen this chap's website, merely the eBay ad and =
also=20
        queried it with him.&nbsp; He did not come over as a major =
loon,&nbsp;=20
        and had at least submitted the material for testing - I was more =

        concerned about your dogmatic statement that there was&nbsp;NO =
WAY any=20
        impactor could POSSIBLY exist - which we know is untrue (cf. =
Lake=20
        Murray) and I just think that although it is very unlikely to be =
part of=20
        the Chixculub impactor, I for one would not just write someone =
off=20
        because of their naivety.&nbsp; None of us are perfect in this =
workaday=20
        world and I just thought he deserves a dignified treatment =
instead of=20
        being dissed.</DIV>
        <DIV>Let's face it, the Frass and BCC thing is obviously the =
products of=20
        an unmedicated consciousness - just by virtue of their approach =
and=20
        writing you can see that we possibly have an undiagnosed mental =
health=20
        condition in them (not for us to judge, of course) and we also =
put up=20
        with endless stuff from Yousef and his total arrogance. </DIV>
        <DIV>I just thought it was a bit refreshing to see a more gentle =

        approach to the enquiry.&nbsp; If Dr Kring 'laughed' then I am =
surprised=20
        as surely the key to being a scientist is to be open in one's =
approach,=20
        fair in research, and accurate in reporting and as =
non-judgemental as=20
        possible until all avenues have been explored.&nbsp; I am sure =
he said=20
        it was 'unlikely' but I bet he'd laugh a lot more at Frass or =
BCC!</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>I have absolutely no idea of the geological processes that =
have=20
        occurred in the Chixculub basin over the past 65MY but I still =
would not=20
        rule out that tectonic processes would 100% guarantee that the =
traces of=20
        impactor would not be consolidated into the upper strata then =
weathered=20
        out.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Who knows? You are almost certainly right - but let's =
give&nbsp;him=20
        some credit!</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>very best</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>dave</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>IMCA #0092</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV id=3Dreceivestrings>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net">Michael =
Farmer</A></DIV>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> =
Saturday,=20
        November 15, 2003 17:23:16</DIV>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A=20
        href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com">Dave Harris</A>; <A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">metlist</A></DIV>
        <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> =
Re:=20
        [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing</DIV></DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Look, I already discussed this with Dr David Kring, who has =
been=20
        working on</DIV>
        <DIV>Chixculub for the last 10 years, he laughed so hard he =
almost=20
        choked. It is</DIV>
        <DIV>not that it is impossible for something to exist, it would =
however=20
        be</DIV>
        <DIV>kilometers deep, not laying on Cancun's beaches. Just from =
reading=20
        the</DIV>
        <DIV>story, you can tell who the freaks are from the serious =
people=20
        trying to</DIV>
        <DIV>figure something out. If he had just asked for help instead =
of=20
        putting up</DIV>
        <DIV>the glorious eBay site extolling his rare goodies, I would =
be=20
        more</DIV>
        <DIV>supportive. Dave, do you support the Frass meteorite too? =
Just from=20
        looking</DIV>
        <DIV>at the guy's site, there is no further need for studying =
that=20
        stone.</DIV>
        <DIV>Mike Farmer</DIV>
        <DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
        <DIV>From: "Dave Harris" &lt;<A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:entropydave_at_ntlworld.com">entropydave@ntlworld.com</A>&gt;=
</DIV>
        <DIV>To: "metlist" &lt;<A=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
        <DIV>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:43 AM</DIV>
        <DIV>Subject: [meteorite-list] Chixculub material testing</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HI,</DIV>
        <DIV>Mike F., can you explain why you are SO dogmatic that this=20
        Chixculub</DIV>
        <DIV>material cannot not possibly be what it is because "It is=20
        impossible that</DIV>
        <DIV>metalic material would survive millions of years, end of=20
        story"?</DIV>
        <DIV>Isn't that rather a strong statement? I seem to recall that =
there=20
        are a</DIV>
        <DIV>number of sites where traces of impactors of about 110mya =
old have=20
        been</DIV>
        <DIV>found.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Why not let the academics provide the answer instead of =
shooting=20
        from the</DIV>
        <DIV>hip all of the time?</DIV>
        <DIV>BTW I did not purchase any of this material, but I admired =
the fact=20
        that</DIV>
        <DIV>Shomin at least is attempting to get a proper result rather =
than=20
        like Mo</DIV>
        <DIV>Yousef continually insisting that it is meteoritic.</DIV>
        <DIV>You should be supporting him, not dissing him</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>respectfully yours, of course</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>dave</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>IMCA #0092</DIV>
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