[meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?

From: Michel Franco <michel_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Dec 4 03:54:51 2004
Message-ID: <00b801c4d9de$eaaf9880$0201a8c0_at_cailloubi12zzr>

Martin, list,

I was personnaly attacked by the Ps on their web site together with Farmer,
Bruno & Carine, Dean. Ps had to wipe names after Bruno and Carine fist legal
action. They say they have won the case. Humm, I have a copy of the
judgment. I must not read properly french, but I understood that they were
condamned to several k euros of fine. I understand that in the Ps cosmology
when you pay fine , you are a winner !!!!. Fair enough to be mentionned.

I will not tell what I do to react against this. This a personnal answer to
a personnal problem.

But many on this list do not want the Ps back in meteorites.

Easy: when you order from The Ps, ask for an invoice, and report your
transaction to the french administration. It is very easy, one of my very
close relatives is in charge of the tax infractions in Grenoble, just were
they live. The Ps must know that anytime they make business in meteorites,
they are in danger. ( I will forward the invoices or the details of any of
your transactions if you need help. ) They must know that no customer is a
safe customer. BTW, their libyan meteorites were smuggled through at least
3 borders, their algerian meteorites as well, plus infraction to Algerian
Laws. I did not saw these facts in the case against Bruno & Carine. The Ps
have a very selective memory. They also read all my posts and use them to
document their files in the case against B&C. But they only take a phrase
here and there.
To day I must reveal that a laywer receives copy of oll my emails, in their
integrity, just in case. I am a professinnal dealer. I have the means of my
politics and I do protect myself.
I must also reveal that I have the best connexions in the administration of
2 large saharan countries, just say algeria and mauritania. This is not a
personnal warning. Just facts.

Please Bernd ask for your invoice to the Ps. Bernd you must know that a
professionnal dealer with a business licence pays taxes and all sorts of
things. Ps sell meteorites twice the price you should pay. When you buy at
Ps, you are buying in a duty free !!! Ask for the discount today.

Best regards

Michel




----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
To: <bernd.pauli_at_paulinet.de>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?


> Now Bernd you're really surprising me, you as a person of keen intellect.
>
> We had here and frequently have the revely of the Hupes, Farmer, Bessey,
> yip
> and also Matteo et.al. with sometimes unpicturesque expressions and boring
> recurrent litanies,
>
> but don't you see, that this accusations of that Pellisons have a
> fundamentally different quality?
>
> Read their pages, about NWAs and terrorism. Can you find there any hard
> proof or even only a hint which could manifest their allegations? I
> can't.
>
> I'm really not interested in the motives, what those person intend with
> this
> tirades and unbacked claims, although it is quite obvious,
> but what are they doing?
>
> They use the current discourses and especially the paranoia with the
> islamic
> terrorism (which seems to be most wide spread in USA, where the most and
> wealthiest collectors by the way are living) to discredit and to ruin
> their
> possible competitors as Fectay&Bidet, Hupes, Bessey, Farmer, Franco,
> Ralew,
> Hmani, Habibi, Cimala, .... and all, who ever got a NWA in their fingers.
>
> This is the evident intention, not even very far behind the curtains -
> and, that what might be more important for you, they imply with this
> webpage,
> and this directly in the center on the stage,
>
> that you, Bernd Pauli, who possesses at least one NWA not bought from
> them,
> maintained with the purchases of those stones murderous, inhuman
> terrorism.
>
> (In my eyes a somewhat impolite way to speak about his own clients).
>
> This is the quality of their statements. Read it by your own.
> You may take it for the usual rants between jealous dealers,
> I for my own am Martin Altmann and a collector
> and certainly not in a need nor in the mood
> to be discredited and libelled by such persons with low attitude and of
> doubtfull character
> to have supported criminals in owning a NWA meteorite.
>
> You may going on buying from those persons,
> I for my part , if I won't find here a personal apology to me here on the
> list or a proof for their statements, will recommend to the 500+
> collectors,
> whit whom I traded and dealt meteorites until know, to avoid to buy from
> the
> Pellisons.
>
> And so should anyone from this list do in my eyes, as we had this issue
> several months before on that list here and since then, those subjects
> were
> not able to add any proof to their website nor took it offline.
>
> My opinion.
> Martin
>
> PS: Am I allowed too, Bernd, to call you from now an a supporter of
> terrorism?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bernd.pauli_at_paulinet.de>
> To: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:08 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
>
>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> > Mr Pellison, why is it that your website claims that everyone is
> supporting
>> > terrorism? ... How is that for simple statements. You have made claims
> ...
>> > about me, and I take that seriously.
>>
>> I do not know what is going on behind the curtains but there are some
>> recent comments from Mike that keep haunting my brain. So sad but
>> so true:
>>
>> "reality is less than perfect ... "
>>
>> Still hoping there is a chain reaction of misunderstandings as my
>> personal
>> contacts with the Pellissons have been absolutely free of animosities !
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>
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