[meteorite-list] Pellissons, the truth about their lies

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Dec 9 05:35:39 2004
Message-ID: <120920041035.25606.41B82A75000904A00000640621602807480299019BA1089F0A9C0106_at_att.net>

It's really refreshing to see that other nationalities are so hateful of each other among their own. It relieves a lot of stress, in my mind, that is so often directed at us poor old Americans. It kind of makes me feel genuinely international. Let the courts decide. Forget the paranoia and the Pellisons. If the world courts can't see how ignorant it is, we should all become vegetable farmers. I love my vegetable garden so I'm biased and don't care either way.

Bill

 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "The Earth's Memory" <info_at_meteorite.fr>
> Dear List Members,
>
> as you can read the Pellison will never assume their acts.
> We can give you their answers without doubts as we have their attorney
> statements and all the documents in hands:
>
> 1) Did you use names and parts of private mails out of context to try to
> convict the Judge
> that meteorites have a link with Al Queda ?
> - "Yes we did, the list of names that Bruno & Carine provide you have been
> involved
> front of the Lyon's Court as supporters of terrorism." (list still available
> at the end of this mail)
>
> 2) -"Yes, the next day we have been sentenced we sent two documents totaling
> 64 pages
> to all the medias, Institutions and Ministers, in these documents, false
> statements and letters; In this way
> we did try to show that scientists are corrupt and get money from NWA
> dealers to
> launder meteorites and meteorites funding."
>
> 3) Did you contact the Interior's Minister and Court des Comptes as well as
> Customs offices ?
> -"Yes, we did , we are stating (word to word) in all our documents, the
> whole list of rare NWA
> as well as people names have been transmitted."
>
> 4) did you declared in a big French's newspaper that BIN LADEN IN PERSON
> came to Morocco
> to fix the details of the meteorite business ?
> -"Yes, we did , do you want to read it ?"
>
> 5) what else did you do that will hurt the others in the future ?
> -"Well, this you will ALL discover soon, as it's a surprise
> we can't tell you now, surprises are always so sweet....."
>
> So this is what we can tell from their written declarations. All these
> officials papers
> will be at the Inn Suites in Tucson. Pass by, have a look, make your own
> idea of the
> danger. As some of you wrote us: we all have to wake up and see the
> IMMENSITY
> of the potential negative results of the actions of the Pellissons. This is
> the first time in
> meteorites history that a threat between two parts (and we didn't begin
> anything as we
> don't mind about other's stories as far as they don't attack us) will have
> hard consequences
> for everybody.
>
> Pelisons, we already ship our material, it's in storage in Tucson, don't
> waste your time
> to send pictures and lists to Ministers and Customs. We already have been
> investigated in all
> ways even by tax people.... we are 100% fed up by your madness. Go back to
> Libya to
> steel other's ellipses (as you did for the German's CO3 and AEUC-P....).
> It's not the other's
> fault if you never found something of interest and you have to understand
> that the
> scientists are fine with NWA specimens, it's the first time in history that
> so much affordable
> specimens are available for science, it will grow up Human Beeing's
> knowledge.
>
> To establish the Truth,
>
> Bruno & Carine
> www.meteorite.ch
>
> PS: we are leaving to Japan Tuesday so Mrss if you have anything to say do
> it now
> and not like you did three times in the past (cf last Tucson show), a knife
> in the back is not fair.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Earth's Memory" <info_at_meteorite.fr>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:29 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy
>
>
> > Mr Pellissons,
> >
> > we finally found the way of emailing directly to the list... we don't
> >
> > hide anywhere and don't have to answer that kind of small remarks...
> >
> >
> >
> > A lot of people would like YOU to answer these questions :
> >
> > -Didn't you use names and parts of private mails to try to convict the
> Judge
> > that meteorites have a link with Al Queda ?
> >
> > -The 9 march of this year (the day you have been sentenced guilty by
> Lyon's
> > Court)
> > didn't you send to major medias
> > a 64 pages document of lies involving half of the scientists and
> collectors
> > (you must have spend a whole month to invent that !)
> >
> > -Didn't you contact the Interior's Minister and Court des Comptes as well
> as
> > Customs offices ?
> >
> > -You're stating that nothing is illegally done front of the Court, but
> your
> > attorney
> >
> > present part of mails out of context where you are 100% lying. You even
> > declared
> > in a big French's newspaper that BIN LADEN IN PERSON came to Morocco
> > to fix the details of the meteorite business .....
> >
> >
> > For all of this we have the papers in hands and Court statements !
> >
> >
> >
> > You are involving just everybody and worst we know only the surface of the
> > iceberg, what else did you do that will hurt the others in the future ?
> >
> >
> > Answer these questions front of the people you are using to build
> > your lies !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear List Members, can you imagine the consequences of such declarations ?
> >
> >
> >
> > They said that no scientists are publishing on NWA, that all scientists
> are
> > calling
> >
> > NWA meteorite "bastard child". They are speaking in the name of the Nom
> > Com....
> >
> >
> >
> > They did present themselves as scientists witch they are not,
> > they are speaking on the name of the entire community
> > but nobody ever give them this right.
> >
> >
> >
> > We ask all of you to react NOW, because if you don't you will be stop at
> >
> > Customs with the possibility to lose everything, in some countries some
> > could go
> >
> > in jail and have your names link with terrorism in major medias and
> google,
> > tax people will
> >
> > open files on ebay sales and money transfer... etc...
> >
> >
> >
> > What a great program, thank you to the pellissons your jealousy drive you
> > to the worst acts.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can all do something, don't just wait and see: you can write a letter
> > that will tell the Judge
> >
> > the truth on whom the pellison are. If you have in file mails or anything
> > from them
> >
> > stating anything about Sahara meteorites, forward them to us as this
> >
> > could be very helpful for establishing the Truth.
> >
> >
> >
> > We all know that these are only lies but their false documents can convict
> >
> > some people whom don't know anything about meteoritic, we saw some
> >
> > journalists and Customs officers taking this very seriously. It's time
> >
> > to stop these mad guys now and the only way is to use Justice.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You can write either publicly on this list or privately to this address:
> >
> > lies-of-pellisson_at_meteorite.fr
> >
> >
> >
> > Meteorite collecting is pointed out as the worst think but
> >
> > History will retain who was in witch part of the fight.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Bruno & Carine
> > La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
> > The Earth's Memory LLC
> > France
> > www.meteorite.fr
> > www.fossile.fr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <SaharaTeam_at_aol.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite
> hobby?
> >
> >
> > > Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
> > >
> > > Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It
> > is
> > > "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for
> > > damages.
> > > Now we are also claiming for damages against them.
> > >
> > > It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict.
> > > As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court :
> > > private emails are not admissible.
> > > And "nobody" can be summoned to appear in a civil action.
> > >
> > > All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this
> > affair
> > > are the consequences of this civil action.
> > >
> > > Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in
> our
> > > favor:
> > > "Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des
> > > météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même
> > > légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et
> > les
> > > opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites"
> > >
> > > We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that
> those
> > > interested by the subject will wait for the official decision.
> > > And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write
> > > through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
> > >
> > >
> > > For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan
> > > strewnfields, you can browse our web pages:
> > > http://www.SaharaMet.com
> > >
> > > And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters:
> > > http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Richard and Roland Pelisson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid_at_timewarp.de>
> > > To: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Cc: "La Memoire de la Terre" <info_at_meteorite.fr>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno & Carine.
> > > > They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they
> > > > asked me for assistance. Please read below.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to
> > > > us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our
> > > > hobby - so please read what Bruno & Carine have to say since
> > > > it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to take action, please contact Bruno & Carine in
> > > > that matter. You may reach them via: info_at_meteorite.fr
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Norbert
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > Dear List Members,
> > > >
> > > > this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us
> > > > including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just
> > > > unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior
> > > > Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries.
> > > > They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different
> > > > ways.
> > > >
> > > > They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap
> > > > with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish
> > > > that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!!
> > > >
> > > > Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping
> > > > or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them!
> > > > Just try a Google search for "money for terrorism" and you will get
> > > > straight to their page, listed in first place.... see it here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=%22money+for+terrorism%22&meta=
> > > >
> > > > They are using metanames and cross linking
> > > > with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them.
> > > >
> > > > You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been
> > > > sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are
> driving
> > > > them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments
> > > > from our attorneys.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the
> Judge
> > > > and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using
> > > > parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why
> > meteorites
> > > > (except of their own) are funding terrorism.
> > > >
> > > > Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either
> > > > you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are
> > involved
> > > > in funding islamist networks......
> > > >
> > > > Privates:
> > > > Mr Bernd Pauli
> > > > Mr Eric Twelker
> > > > Mr Art Jones
> > > > Mr Alain Carion
> > > > Mr Michael Farmer
> > > > Mr Michel Franco
> > > > Mr Aziz Habibi
> > > > Mr Nelson Oakes
> > > > Mr Bob Verish
> > > > Mr Greg and Adam Hupe
> > > > Mr Tracy Latimer
> > > > Mr Luc Labenne
> > > > Mr Dean Bessey
> > > > Mr Matteo Chinellato
> > > >
> > > > Scientists:
> > > > Dr Zenda
> > > > Dr Grossman
> > > > Dr Barrat
> > > > Dr Treiman
> > > > Dr Huss
> > > > Dr Gillet
> > > > Dr Jambon
> > > > Dr Bunch
> > > > the whole Meteoritical Society
> > > > the AMNH of New York
> > > > the MNHN of Paris
> > > >
> > > > And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to
> translate
> > > > the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to
> explain
> > > > that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network
> > > > for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias...
> > > >
> > > > What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't
> stop
> > > > them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the
> wonderful
> > > > hobby we share: meteorites.
> > > >
> > > > As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public
> > > > court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices
> > > > worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the
> way
> > > > they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names
> > and
> > > > mails too....
> > > >
> > > > We stay available if you need further advices.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware
> > of
> > > > what is going on.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Bruno & Carine
> > > > La Memoire de la Terre Sarl
> > > > The Earth's Memory LLC
> > > > France
> > > > www.meteorite.fr
> > > > www.fossile.fr
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite
> impact
> > > > craters
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are
> > > > > being supported by you meteorite buyers.
> > > > > In court in France my own name was used in French
> > > > > court along with my postings to this list as evidence
> > > > > that I stated terrorists were being supported by our
> > > > > meteorite buys.
> > > > > Now I ask every member of this list? Where in the
> > > > > archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada is
> > > > > supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and
> > > > > efforts to drive everybody else out of the desert. I
> > > > > havent seen the court document but I suspect they have
> > > > > taken some of the moronic fights about exporting
> > > > > meteorites illegally from morocco that me, farmer, the
> > > > > hupes and others have sadly gotten involved in in our
> > > > > efforts to claim that "My meteorites are better than
> > > > > your meteorites" (Yes, I am as guilty as anybody in
> > > > > this "My meteorites are better than your meteorites"
> > > > > crap even though it is not possible to illegally
> > > > > export meteorites from morocco because there is no law
> > > > > in morocco saying that you cant do it - go to your
> > > > > local moroccan embassy if you want confirmation of
> > > > > what I am saying here).
> > > > > My suspicion is that they took things out of context
> > > > > and misquoted what was said taking things out of
> > > > > context.
> > > > > So lets see, we have a dealer who is known to have
> > > > > deliberately misquoted other people and lied about
> > > > > what was said in postings. We know that the pelissons
> > > > > are people with no scruples and have no hessitation
> > > > > about lying. If they willingly lie in court imagine
> > > > > what they would tell meteorite collectors. Tell me, is
> > > > > this the type of person that you would buy a meteorite
> > > > > from? They lied at least twice. How do you know that
> > > > > they are not lying when they tell you that they never
> > > > > bought a NWA in morocco from aid mohammad and instead
> > > > > of selling it for 20 cents a gram like I would do if I
> > > > > bought a NWA from aid mohammad, they offer it to you
> > > > > at $2 a gram as their own find? They lied once in a
> > > > > very orchastrated court fraud and made up a story that
> > > > > meteorite funds are supporting terrorism.
> > > > > Does known fakers really need three strikes to be out?
> > > > > If you pay more than 15 cents a gram for a pellisson
> > > > > meteorite you are buying something from people with no
> > > > > more trustworthyness than dealing with a lot of the
> > > > > moroccans. The pellisons meteorites have no more known
> > > > > about them than if you buy my 20 cent NWAs. You dont
> > > > > know where they are from.
> > > > > And yes, I really am pissed off because my name was
> > > > > used in french court in a fabricated court case.
> > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > DEAN
> > > > >
> > > > > --- SaharaMet <SaharaTeam_at_aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A new page on our desert trips:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Mauritanian Sahara expedition
> > > > > > - Temimichat and Tenoumer impact craters
> > > > > > - panoramic views of the craters
> > > > > > (4000x650 pixels)
> > > > > > - impactites and shocked granitic rocks
> > > > > > - story of the journey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/crater.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard & Roland Pelisson
> > > > > > SaharaMet
> > > > > > Sahara expeditions and great meteorite discoveries
> > > > > > http://www.saharamet.com
> > > >
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