[meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

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From: Rosemary Hackney <ltcrose_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:24 2004
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LOL =20

amo amas amat amamus amatis amant

I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-)

But I think la cucuracha is a roach..

Rosie
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  From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20
  To: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com =

  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

  G'day,

  When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no =
matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although =
some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly =
because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of =
things like "Caesar" =3D=3D> pron. C=E9sar. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). =
Also if they are scientific names, the original language pronunciation =
must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, =
"Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the =
Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the =
different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense =
of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.

  However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is =
your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is =
pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox =
Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the =
ancients did.

  In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the =
initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the =
second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., =
short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually =
on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived =
from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when =
you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the =
ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is =
still considered a single letter en espa=F1ol. On the oher hand the "x" =
is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last =
syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in =
"Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound in =
words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of =
PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.

  This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study =
place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed =
world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls.

  Saludos
  Doug Dawn
  Mexico

  En un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, =
jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe:

    Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help=20
    Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time
    De: jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com
    Para: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
    Enviado por Internet=20

    G'day all,
     =20
    Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I =
came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with =
pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can =
speak Latin could you please contact me off list?
     =20
    Thanks,
     =20
    Jeff Kuyken
    I.M.C.A. #3085
    www.meteorites.com.au
    www.meteoritesaustralia.com

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>LOL  </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>amo amas amat amamus amatis =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did my thesis on Pachydiplex =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But I think la cucuracha is a =
roach..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rosie</FONT></DIV>
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Slightly OT=20
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  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10">G'day,<BR><BR>When it comes to =
Latin in=20
  science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, =
because the=20
  "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to =
standardize=20
  pronunciation.  This is mostly because scientific naming using =
Latin uses=20
  the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" =3D=3D> pron. =
C=E9sar. (Cesar=20
  w/ stress on "e").  Also if they are scientific names, the =
original=20
  language pronunciation must be conserved for imports like for the name =
of the=20
  Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium =
farmeri",=20
  or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up =
the=20
  different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric =
sense of=20
  humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.<BR><BR>However, in =
Classical=20
  Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your interest, =
pronunciation can=20
  be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is=20
  pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you =
want to do=20
  it like it is thought the ancients did.<BR><BR>In two syllable words, =
the=20
  stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial syllable.  If =
you have=20
  a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last syllable in =
words of=20
  more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in the second to =
last=20
  syllable, the stress is usually on the second to last syllable, but =
there are=20
  lots of exceptions derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this =
can be=20
  better appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the =
single Greek=20
  letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek =
letter=20
  phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en espa=F1ol.  On =
the oher=20
  hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and =
second=20
  to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in=20
  "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound =
in words=20
  like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of =
PEE-nus,=20
  lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.<BR><BR>This all seems close enough =
to=20
  on-list to me if you want to study place names of ancient meteorites =
for a=20
  good part of the then governed world, or old scientific descriptions =
of rocks=20
  and suspected falls.<BR><BR>Saludos<BR>Doug Dawn<BR>Mexico<BR><BR>En =
un=20
  mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time,=20
  jeff_at_meteoritesaustralia.com escribe:<BR><BR>
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Pronounciation=20
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    por Internet </I><BR><BR>G'day all,</FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"12" BACK=3D"#ffffff"><BR>  =
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color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20
    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10" BACK=3D"#ffffff">Sorry for the =
slightly OT=20
    topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came across some Latin =
words and=20
    terms. I would like some help with pronouncing them and would =
certainly=20
    appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you please contact =
me off=20
    list?</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
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    FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10" BACK=3D"#ffffff">Jeff =
Kuyken<BR>I.M.C.A.=20
    #3085<BR><A=20
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href=3D"http://www.meteorites.com.au/">www.meteorites.com.au</A><BR><A=20
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