[meteorite-list] glassface1

From: John K. Gwilliam <jkg_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:31:25 2004
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040221081515.00986df0_at_mail.theriver.com>

The IMCA can only be effective if it has some real teeth to back up it's=20
bark. This would require a lot of work to investigate cases of alleged=20
fraud and then taking steps to expose the errant person or remove them from=
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the IMCA if they are a member. This takes time and most people don't like=
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to work for free.

Does anyone know if the IMCA staff is still working at being an active and=
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potent organization?

Best, John

At 01:05 AM 2/21/2004 -0500, magellon wrote:
> > If that someone else buys the fake,
> > that means they won't be buying our real ones
> > and that means we just sold our meteorite
> > for less than we could have.
>Huh? It just means they are buying fakes.
>The thing that hurts everyone, are the burnt
>new buyers that quit the hobby. The more who join,
>the more demand. The more demand, the more
>valuable your meteorites become. Less demand,
>Less value.
>
>IMCA is the answer. The more new persons
>who join, the more who will be educated to
>the glassface1's. However, one may have
>to be burnt once to wise up. And that one
>quickly learns about IMCA. While they are
>being educated they can purrchase from
>IMCA members and not have to worry.
>
>Ebay deals with this kinda the same as law
>enforcement. You can't have a criminal without
>a victim to accuse him.
>If enough victims say fraud then ebay acts....
>But only the victims can make the claim.
>The person can not only be thrown off ebay
>but can also do jail time.
>http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/online/auctions.htm
>http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
>http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel/
>Best,
>ken
>IMCA # 9632
>www.IMCA.cc
>http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs1.html
>
>
>Tom aka James Knudson wrote:
>
> > Hello Randy and list, Randy wrote "let the buyer beware", that's fine,
> > but, I am trying to protect the sellers as well, including myself. If
> > someone is selling fake meteorites and us collectors won't buy them,
> > someone else will. If that someone else buys the fake, that means they
> > won't be buying our real ones and that means we just sold our
> > meteorite for less than we could have. Then, sellers, to make a profit
> > have to raise there prices and we all have to pay more. It seems that
> > a lot of legitimate sellers are members of the IMCA and we are the
> > ones getting hurt! I think the IMCA members should stick together and
> > fight these fraudulent sellers to protect ourselves. I also think
> > legitimate sellers that are not IMCA members feel the same way. It
> > hurts us all. Am I wrong?Thanks, Tom
> > peregrineflier <><
> > IMCA #6168
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Randy Mils
> > To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] glassface1
> >
> > It has been stated on this list time and time and time
> > again. LEAVE EBAY ALONE. It is not the IMCA's job to
> > police ebay sellers. Let the buyer beware.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > >From: "Tom aka James Knudson"
> > >To:
> > >Subject: [meteorite-list] glassface1
> > >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:13:40 -0700
> > >
> > >Hey List, this glassface1 Can't even keep the lies strait!
> > Can't something
> > >be done about this seller? May be the IMCA can put on an
> > ebay add about
> > >fraudulent sellers and how to identify them?
> > >
> > >Meteorite *ALLENDE* CV3 It's my last one
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie
> > Item&item=3D2227157587&category=3D3239
> > >
> > >But then lists another one later
> > >Meteorite: CV3 Allende Special Huge Stone
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View
> > tem&item=3D2227224342&category=3D3239
> > >
> > >Thanks, Tom
> > >peregrineflier <><
> > >IMCA #6168
> > >
> > >
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