[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?

From: Michel Franco <michel_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:11 2004
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Dear list,

An interesting topic.=20

Some serious facts.
I had the big opportunity to stay in the Amguid area, Algeria twice in =
the last 2 years. =20
Having beeg invited by the University of Algiers, to help some field =
prospection with the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, =
around 2 impacts carters ( Amguid and Tin Bider, ) I had the pleasure to =
be introduced to the local Police Forces in Amguid. We had a military =
escort during our first trip. It creates relations and friendship as we =
shared a mechoui and more. It happened also that we where exactly in =
Amguid in 2003 when the group of 30 tourists where caught, and that we =
had the pleasure again to meet our friends from the previous year =
military escort that were just coming back from a first survey to =
localize the kidnappers, in an aera bewteen Amguid and Illizi, about 500 =
 km in the East of the Acfer reg, more that 1000 klm from the Tanezrouft =
area.=20
We do not see here any meteorite link between that kidnapper group, who =
was known by our local helps and also by the military forces. ( the GSPC =
true )=20
During that same expeditions we also had the opportunity top see 2 =
ciarettes smugglers caravan of Toyotas 6 vehicles on the first time and =
14 the second time. There is a big money. We also had the chance to find =
a lost 55 gallons drum on our way to the Tin Bider crater, having to =
follow the same track as the smuggers for half a hundred miles.=20
On another hand we have developped a network of prospectors somewhere in =
the Sahara, who also cross borders to prospect. Their land was cut into =
new countries after the french decolinization. They have relative on =
each side of many borders and they use to visit them quite often, do not =
forget that they are basically nomads. They are paid for their job by =
me, on a no cure no pay basis. ( But they find many meteorites.. I know =
how much I spend on travels and how much I give them. I do not see any =
Million $ figure in my expenses.) I would be intellectually inapt to =
invest millions of $ in buying tons of OC's and some goodies to my =
people. Anyone can buy them much cheaper in Morocco, according what I =
unserstand from my hunting mates that go there and buy their meteorites =
in Morocco.=20
I do not understand the link bewteen NWa's , other Saharan meteorites =
and terrorsim. The arguments developped by the Pelissons brothers =
drastically lack of real clues. The GSPC group asked for a ransom and =
got it: there were the millions of $, in kidnapping not in meteorites.
I do not see people playing at meteorites in the no-mans land between =
Algeria and Morocco, Sahara is so vast that one should be mad to =
prospect there: it is full of mines! My people know many nomads =
crossing borders, are they all smugglers ? All african borders are =
porous. Camels, cars, trucks, dattes, hifi, computers,cigarettes, there =
are the major traffics.=20
I started prospecting in Libya as the Pelissons did, and I have to admit =
that I smuggled the meteorites throught the Libyan border and then =
through the Tunisian border. As the Pelisson did. (Roland, personnal =
communication.)
Another story. My mates found a nice achondrite last year, a small =
fragment with crust 14 g, ( is is a polymict diogenite or something =
close, analyses are not finished. ) having seen the crust and the little =
thumbprints on it I suggested that they go back to the plalce and look =
again. They came back with a perfect complete individual of 50 g. These =
meteorites are legally imported in France throught customs. I run a =
registered meteorite business in France, I just ask the Pelisson if =
their SaharaTeam is a regsitered company. if no, I will say that they =
probably finance terrorism.=20

I am reading the numerous answers to this topic. Yes Bernhard is right, =
this can make a lot of harm to the community.=20

I go back to my cooking. Lobsters and Champagne tonite. I will tell you =
why in a while.=20

BTW I have some auctions at=20
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=3Dkayu=
nwar&include=3D0&since=3D-1&sort=3D3&rows=3D50

My 2 teas

Michel FRANCO



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: SaharaTeam_at_aol.com=20
  To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?


              NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
  http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html


  1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco.=20
  2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this =
market.=20
  3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and =
up to Egypt.=20
  4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed =
since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border.
                          NWA meteorites =3D contraband meteorites

  Some serious facts:
  - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been =
target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria:
      - GIA (Armed Islamic Group)
      - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat)=20
  - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a =
military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite =
strewnfields in 2003.=20
  - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's =
land between the two countries.=20
  - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who =
prefer to stay "anonymous".=20
  - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is =
lost on the Algerian border.


  More info :
  http://www.saharamet.com/

  Richard & Roland Pelisson

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear list,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>An interesting topic. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some serious facts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had the big opportunity to stay in =
the Amguid=20
area, Algeria twice in the last 2 years.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having beeg invited by the University =
of=20
Algiers,&nbsp; to help some field prospection with the Museum National=20
d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, around 2 impacts carters ( Amguid and Tin =
Bider,=20
) I had the pleasure to be introduced to the local Police Forces in =
Amguid. We=20
had a military escort during our first trip. It creates relations and =
friendship=20
as we shared&nbsp;a mechoui and more. It happened also that we where =
exactly in=20
Amguid in 2003 when the group of 30 tourists where caught, and that we =
had the=20
pleasure again to meet our friends from the previous year military =
escort that=20
were just coming back from a first survey to localize the kidnappers, in =
an aera=20
bewteen Amguid and Illizi, about&nbsp;500 &nbsp;km in the East of the =
Acfer reg,=20
more that 1000 klm from the Tanezrouft area. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We do not see here any meteorite link =
between that=20
kidnapper group, who was known by our local helps and also by the =
military=20
forces. (&nbsp;the GSPC true ) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>During that same expeditions we also =
had the=20
opportunity top see 2 ciarettes smugglers caravan of Toyotas 6 vehicles =
on the=20
first time and 14 the second time. There is a big money. We also had the =
chance=20
to find a lost 55 gallons drum on our way to the Tin Bider crater, =
having to=20
follow the same track as the smuggers for half a hundred miles. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another hand we have developped a =
network of=20
prospectors somewhere in the Sahara, who also cross borders to =
prospect.&nbsp;=20
Their land was cut into new countries after the french decolinization. =
They have=20
relative on each side of many borders and they use to visit them quite =
often, do=20
not forget that they are basically nomads. They are paid for their job =
by me, on=20
a no cure no pay basis. ( But they find many meteorites.. I know how =
much I=20
spend on travels and how much I give them. I&nbsp; do not see any =
Million $=20
figure in my expenses.) &nbsp;I would be intellectually inapt to invest =
millions=20
of $ in buying tons of OC's and some goodies to my people. Anyone can =
buy them=20
much cheaper in Morocco, according what I unserstand from my hunting =
mates that=20
go there and buy their meteorites in Morocco. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not understand the link bewteen =
NWa's , other=20
Saharan meteorites and terrorsim. The arguments developped by the =
Pelissons=20
brothers drastically lack of real clues. The GSPC group asked for a =
ransom and=20
got it: there were the millions of $, in kidnapping not in=20
meteorites.<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not see people =
playing at=20
meteorites in the no-mans land between Algeria and Morocco, Sahara is so =
vast=20
that one should be mad to prospect there: it is full of mines! &nbsp;My =
people=20
know many nomads crossing borders, are they all smugglers ? All african =
borders=20
are porous. Camels, cars, trucks, dattes, hifi, computers,cigarettes, =
there are=20
the major traffics. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I started prospecting in Libya as the =
Pelissons=20
did, and I have to admit that I smuggled the meteorites throught the =
Libyan=20
border and then through the Tunisian border.&nbsp;As the Pelisson=20
did.&nbsp;&nbsp;(Roland, personnal communication.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another story. My mates found a nice =
achondrite=20
last year, a small fragment with crust 14 g, ( is is a polymict =
diogenite or=20
something close, analyses are not finished. ) having seen the crust and =
the=20
little thumbprints on it I suggested that they go back to the plalce and =
look=20
again. They came back with a perfect complete individual of 50 g. These=20
meteorites are legally imported in France throught customs. I run a =
registered=20
meteorite business in France, I just ask the Pelisson if their =
SaharaTeam is a=20
regsitered company. if no, I will say that they probably finance =
terrorism.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am reading the numerous answers to =
this topic.=20
Yes Bernhard is right, this can make&nbsp; a lot of harm to the =
community.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I&nbsp; go back to my cooking. Lobsters =
and=20
Champagne tonite. I will tell you why in a while. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW I have some auctions at =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A=20
href=3D"http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&amp;u=
serid=3Dkayunwar&amp;include=3D0&amp;since=3D-1&amp;sort=3D3&amp;rows=3D5=
0">http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&amp;userid=
=3Dkayunwar&amp;include=3D0&amp;since=3D-1&amp;sort=3D3&amp;rows=3D50</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My 2 teas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michel FRANCO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3DSaharaTeam_at_aol.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:SaharaTeam_at_aol.com">SaharaTeam@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor=
itecentral.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 31, =
2004 7:35=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [meteorite-list] NWA =
meteorites=20
  - money for terrorism?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D1 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"=20
  =
PTSIZE=3D"10">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
  NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html">http://w=
ww.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html</A><BR><BR><BR>1=20
  - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. <BR>2 - =
There is=20
  no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. <BR>3 =
- More=20
  than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to =
Egypt. <BR>4=20
  - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed =
since=20
  1994. Islamic army groups cross the=20
  =
border.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
  NWA meteorites =3D contraband meteorites<BR><BR><U>Some serious =
facts:</U><BR>-=20
  2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been =
target of=20
  the Bush government since September 11th live in=20
  Algeria:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - GIA (Armed Islamic=20
  Group)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and =
Combat)=20
  <BR>- 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a =
military=20
  attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in =
2003.=20
  <BR>- Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no =
man's land=20
  between the two countries. <BR>- NWA meteorite contraband is still =
financed by=20
  private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". <BR>- The track of =
the=20
  millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian=20
  border.<BR><BR><BR>More info :<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.saharamet.com/">http://www.saharamet.com/</A><BR><BR>R=
ichard=20
  &amp; Roland Pelisson<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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