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From: Howard Wu <freewu2000_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:45 2004
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I have meet Steve Arnold of Chicago. I sense no malficience in Steve, though he is an agent of chaos. He just a crazed pasionate hobbiest, not a proffesional dealer. And he's just as likely to lose money on his meteorite churnings as he is to gain. I like him personally but I not above criticizing him inside the family of collectors for his continuous misbehavor. In regards to ebay, truth in advertizing is a minimun standerd. There is no excuse for misrepresenting weights and this is not the first time he has done that. That make him fair game.

Our meteorites are more than personal property but represent a scientific legacy in our trust. As Steve is not going away, our only hope is to reform his behavior which affect us all. While other may chose to shun his dealings, I have chosen to taken up a rolled newpaper approach to Steve. That's within my nature, while I occasionally benefit that a fool and his meteorites are soon....to become my meteorites.

That windbag of a collector
Mr. Wu

"Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com> wrote:
Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. I
have had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, and
there was only one problem that was corrected by him pretty fast. Other
than that, all bids I won were exactly what he offered (and some GREAT
deals amongst them *g*).

Well, having said that - I don't understand him in some aspects. Having
no pics with most of his auctions is pretty - well, strange, but that's
up to him, I think. Some auctions are priced ridicoulosly high, others
unbelievably low - again: this is up to him :-).

I don't think that Steve is ripping others off on purpose, sometimes one
COULD think that he doesn't really know what he does. But hey, there are
only a few professional traders - Steve is, like me, just a collector,
I'd say.

If Steve made a mistake, I am sure he will react and correct it. As long
as he does, everything's fine - don't you think so?

Bernhard

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David
Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:22 PM
To: Howard Wu; meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

Dear All,

I don't know why you penny pinchers continue to purchase from someone
who doesn't adhere to good IMCA practices.

I have no compassion for you.

Scales is one, no reference books, what other clues do you need?

Anyone to tight to throw in a riker mount box to keep customers happy
should up his price to cover the box.

I think there are a number of very good dealers out there that deserve
your commerce more,
would you like me to send you an off list list?

Again, I offer no support for those that don't learn from others grief.

Dave Freeman

Howard Wu wrote:

> Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took
> him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out.
>
>
>
> Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale.
>
>
>
> http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1&satitle=gram+scale&so
> sortorder=1&sosortproperty=3
>
ortorder=1&sosortproperty=3>
>
>
>
>
> Howard Wu
>
>
>
> harlan trammell wrote:
>
> i too have heard that this should be avoided.
>
> >From: "Arizona Keith" >To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" , >Subject:
> [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? >Date:
> Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 > >Hello List > >Avoid Steve Arnold
> of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. > >I just
> got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. >
> >First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions,
> but I never >got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. >He
> never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new
> auction >do state this. > >Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595
> Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a >label stating that
> amount. > >I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted
> this ad. > >Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for
> there actions and >statements or can the IMCA even help with this,
> he's did sell a meteorite, >but did mislead bidders and did a bate
> and switch. > >And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly
> dealers using this, not >protecting meteorite collectors, only
> dealers. > >Thanks again for your time. > >Keith V. >The proudest
> Non-member of the IMCA. >Chandler AZ > > > >----- Original Message
> ----- >From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March
> 02, 2004 5:28 AM >Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions >
> > > > Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of
> them starting > > at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece
> of GIBEON.They are up for > > 5 days only.Bid very ,very high and
> bid very,very often. > > > >
> THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! > > > > ===== > > Steve
> R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > >
> Illinois Meteorites > > website url http://stormbringer60120.com >
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do
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<DIV>I have meet Steve Arnold of Chicago. I sense no malficience in Steve, though he is an agent of chaos.  He just a crazed pasionate hobbiest, not a proffesional dealer. And he's just as likely to lose money on his meteorite churnings as he is to gain.  I like him personally but I not above criticizing him inside the family of collectors for his continuous misbehavor. In regards to ebay, truth in advertizing is a minimun standerd. There is no excuse for misrepresenting weights and this is not the first time he has done that. That make him fair game.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>  Our meteorites are more than personal property but represent a scientific legacy in our trust. As Steve is not going away, our only hope is to reform his behavior which affect us all. While other may chose to shun his dealings, I have chosen to taken up a rolled newpaper approach to Steve. That's within my nature, while I occasionally benefit that a fool and his meteorites are soon....to become my meteorites. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That windbag of a collector</DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Wu</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. I have had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, and there was only one problem that was corrected by him pretty fast. Other than that, all bids I won were exactly what he offered (and some GREAT deals amongst them *g*). Well, having said that - I don't understand him in some aspects. Having no pics with most of his auctions is pretty - well, strange, but that's up to him, I think. Some auctions are priced ridicoulosly high, others unbelievably low - again: this is up to him :-). I don't think that Steve is ripping others off on purpose, sometimes one COULD think that he doesn't really know what he does. But hey, there are only a few professional traders - Steve is, like me, just a collector, I'd say. If Steve made a mistake, I am sure he will react
and correct it. As long as he does, everything's fine - don't you think so? Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-admin_at_meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-admin@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David Freeman Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:22 PM To: Howard Wu; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? Dear All, I don't know why you penny pinchers continue to purchase from someone who doesn't adhere to good IMCA practices. I have no compassion for you. Scales is one, no reference books, what other clues do you need? Anyone to tight to throw in a riker mount box to keep customers happy should up his price to cover the box. I think there are a number of very good dealers out there that deserve your commerce more, would you like me to send you an off list list? Again, I offer no support for those that don't
learn from others grief. Dave Freeman Howard Wu wrote: > Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took > him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out. > > > > Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale. > > > > http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1&satitle=gram+scale&so > sortorder=1&sosortproperty=3 > <HTTP: SaleSearch?ht="1&satitle=gram+scale&sos<br" search ws search.ebay.com>ortorder=1&sosortproperty=3> > > > > > Howard Wu > > > > harlan trammell <SKYROX_at_HOTMAIL.COM>wrote: > > i too have heard that this should be avoided. > > >From: "Arizona Keith" >To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" , >Subject: > [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? >Date: > Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 >
>Hello List > >Avoid Steve Arnold > of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. > >I just > got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. > > >First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions, > but I never >got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. >He > never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new > auction >do state this. > >Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595 > Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a >label stating that > amount. > >I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted > this ad. > >Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for > there actions and >statements or can the IMCA even help with this, > he's did sell a meteorite, >but did mislead bidders and did a bate > and switch. > >And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly > dealers using this, not
>protecting meteorite collectors, only > dealers. > >Thanks again for your time. > >Keith V. >The proudest > Non-member of the IMCA. >Chandler AZ > > > >----- Original Message > ----- >From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March > 02, 2004 5:28 AM >Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions > > > > > Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of > them starting > > at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece > of GIBEON.They are up for > > 5 days only.Bid very ,very high and > bid very,very often. > > > > > THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! > > > > ===== > > Steve > R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > > > Illinois Meteorites > > website url http://stormbringer60120.com > > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/
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