AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices

From: Bernhard Rems <rendelius_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Nov 4 12:42:49 2004
Message-ID: <001a01c4c295$a9115ea0$bc4a2fd5_at_rendhome>

Martin, I will always repeat my point: :-)

Most people DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SELL. To sell something on ebay is an
art. If someone sells a rumuruti with one sentence, bad layout and an
ugly photo - well, what would you expect?

This lack of understanding for the basic principles of selling are as
much responsible for the cheap prices as ebay or the large amount of
material.

Bernhard

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
Martin Altmann
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. November 2004 18:33
An: J?rn Koblitz; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices

Objection:
a) Howardite sold after Denver in US-ebay at 6.5$/g
b) Lunaite sold in summer on US-ebay in small slices at 200$/g and 500$
for
mare basalt.
c) Cumulate eucrite in US-ebay at 1.5-2$/g
d) Ureilite frequently offered at 25$/g there
e) Rumurutis in german ebay (ignorance, hihi) 1.7$/g
not to mention the prices one may get on the shows from the Moroccain
dealers.

I've not the impression, that the rare types are still high priced at
the
moment.

f) Finally for most Moroccains meteorites are simple goods like minerals
and
fossils.
They want to sell them, they make their livings from their sales.
Thus why should they keep them in the back rooms?
Did they kept the trilobites there, when those crashed in price? (two
fossil
collectors told me, that the prices for them years ago were much
higher).
If they would have planned and calculated as supposed, they never would
have
released so large amounts of rare material before.

My impressions.
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "J?rn Koblitz" <koblitz_at_microfab.de>
To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com>; "Michael Farmer"
<meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:16 PM
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] meteorite prices


Certainly, there are many more ordinary chondrites (OCs) from the hot
desert
and rare types like achondrite probably make up just one or two percent
of
it...

...but, considering the fairly high prices for the rare types and the
limited spending capacity of this market segment (collectors as well as
museums/research institutes), my impression is, that OCs are easily sold
in
"tons" at price levels of 50 to 100$/kg, wereas the rare stuff is being
sold
on a gram or even milligram scale.

Wouldn't it take a very long time, to get all the howardites, polymict
eucrites, rumurutiites, martian meteorites (considering alone the TKWs
of
DaG 476 or SaU 005 and pairings) hiding in the back rooms of Moroccan
and
non-Moroccan dealers?

I assume, that the prices for OCs - especially those with nice shapes or
fairly unweathered interior - will rise soon, whereas most of the rare
types
will stay at high level or will even decline.

Any objections?

Cheers,
J?rn

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 18:44
> An: Michael Farmer
> Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I concur! The gold rush is already showing signs of ending.
> The Moroccans
> are pulling out their "good" material and acting in a
> feverish, money lust,
> frenzy to get the last buck from those who deal there.
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>; "MARK BOSTICK"
> <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
>
>
> > On two expeditions in Oman, we found over 100 meteorites
> before finding my
> > first achondrite, a rare type of Ureilite.
> > Achondrites are rare, the flood from Morocco will soon end.
> > Mike Farmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
> > To: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>;
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
> >
> >
> >> Hiho Mark,
> >>
> >> the region does not make the difference, the finders do!
> >>
> >> In Antarctica it's the common process, to number each
> stone seperately -
> >> take a look at the Bulletins, there you'll find rare
> types, found in the
> >> same place on the same day with different numbers.
> >> Sahara in general is different, in Oman never were so much
> hunters around
> >> as
> >> in Libya and the Oman stuff does not end up in Morocco.
> >> And the teams in Oman give always all their finds from one
> aerea as a
> >> bunch
> >> in classification, most in the same place. So different
> conditions as
> >> with
> >> the NWA-stuff.
> >> Meanwhile a beginning collector must have the impression, that a
> >> howardite,
> >> a mesosiderite, a CV3 or a olivine diogenite must be
> something extremely
> >> common, as always when a new one is coming out, in the
> months to follow,
> >> appears a dozen numbers of the same material.
> >> But ask f.e. Afanasjev or Haberer how many ordinary
> chondrites you have
> >> to
> >> hunt down, until you'll find an achondrite! Make some
> stats NWA versus
> >> Dho,
> >> with the latter I suppose you will get different ratios of
> rare types to
> >> common ones, if you count the numbers as own finds.
> >>
> >> And of course many of the OCs from Oman are similar
> looking as in most
> >> cases, they ae very weathered, W3-4. But take a look in
> the lists from
> >> the
> >> Bulletins, where you can see from the date of find and the
> coordinates,
> >> that
> >> mostly a large series of subsequent numbers were found on
> the same trip,
> >> there you have a wide variety of Ls and Hs with different
> Fa and Fs
> >> values
> >> and weathering degrees.
> >>
> >> So I think, if it costs the same, Stevey is not wrong to
> prefer Dho
> >> instead
> >> of NWA, as in my eyes, they have a higher collector's
> value (and I'm
> >> really
> >> no fan of desert chondrites, I'm sooo conservative and
> collect names).
> >>
> >> Cheeers!
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
> >> To: <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:38 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay auction meteorites
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello Martin,
> >>>
> >>> I do not keep a list of paired meteorites or possible
> paired meteorites.
> >>>
> >>> Dhofar is no different then DaG or other like regions. I
> have traded
> >>> more
> >>> in DaG so I could tell you some pairs in it. I have seen
> a few tables
> >>> of
> >>> Dhofar's where you have several H5 or L6's that look a lot alike.
> >>>
> >>> There have been pairing studies done in DaG, Roosvelt County and
> >>> Anartica.
> >>> In all of these high collection places pairings were
> found to be pretty
> >>> common. Which I do not see as any problem and that was
> not a negative
> >>> Dhofar comment. Anyone thinking it was negative is free
> to send me all
> >>> their Roosevelt County meteorites. Should a pairing
> study be made, I
> >> think
> >>> the numbers say you will find Dhofar no different then
> other areas of
> >>> meteorite concentration.
> >>>
> >>> The naming rules in all these areas say pretty much,
> unless it fits
> >>> together, it gets a different name...or number as it is.
> We seem to
> >>> have
> >>> changed this a little to, found within a few feet, as
> many of the DaG's
> >> with
> >>> the same number do not fit together.
> >>>
> >>> On my website you will find I have many Dhofar, DaG and other like
> >> numbered
> >>> meteorites. However, if you check the gallery, you will see in my
> >> personal
> >>> collection, I avoid like classification meteorites from
> regions of high
> >>> meteorite concentration.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.meteoritearticles.com/photogallerymeteorites.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark Bostick
> >>> www.meteoritearticles.com
> >>>
> >>>
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