[meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers...a different viewpoint

From: JKGwilliam <h3chondrite_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Nov 21 00:48:08 2004
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20041120215539.028bca00_at_pop.west.cox.net>

This current problem will fix itself when the supplies of African and Oman
meteorites dry up. Then we'll all be back to not-so-patiently waiting for
new falls that never fall and hunting for individual stones and small
strewnfields with always too few specimens.

  There will come a day when meteorite collectors will look back at the NWA
era and refer to it as the proverbial "good old days." Fifty years from
now, they will read the NWA stories and see the pictures of the thousands
of meteorites, and they will be in awe. And, when that time arrives, some
of the people who regularly write to this list will be considered icons and
revered historical figures; not too different than how we revere Nininger
and his contemporaries today. Collectors will whisper the names of
Killgore, Farmer, Haag, Thompson, Carion, Hupe, Ward, Reed, New and many,
many others. They will covet their autographed books and brag about owning
labels and meteorites from their collections.

Some of you guys might just become legends.

So, be careful what you write and say because you are becoming a part of
tomorrows history.

I want my grand kids to think of you guys as heroes, so don't make me
disappoint them someday when I have to tell them I knew some of you before
you became gentlemen.

Off my soap box now,

JKGwilliam



At 09:52 PM 11/20/2004, Michael Farmer wrote:
>Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great
>example of the problem we are facing.
>The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many
>people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068.
>I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to demand
>that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time
>and material.
>However, what is the solution? I really don't know.
>Mike
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
>To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael
>Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
>
>
>>Mike,
>>
>>Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say
>>that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look
>>identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? )
>>People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion.
>>Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual
>>similarity
>>
>>Bob Evans
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>>To: Comcast Mail <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>; Meteorite list
>><meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
>>
>>
>>>Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the
>>>rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this
>>>disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through
>>>the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted.
>>>Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or
>>>Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s.
>>>Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience
>>>since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that
>>>everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for
>>>experience.
>>>Mike Farmer
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
>>>To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael
>>Farmer"
>>><meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>>>Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
>>>
>>>
>>> > Mike,
>>> >
>>> > I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877
>>and
>>> > have Adam send you his.
>>> > Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to
>>> anyone > who
>>> > cares.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Bob Evans
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
>>> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM
>>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the
>>> >> meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that
>>> >> NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or
>>> >> meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my >>
>>> expeditions.
>>> >> The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers.
>>> >> Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper
>>> title >> (as
>>> >> Dr
>>> >> Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own
>>> >> numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and
>>> >> must
>>> >> not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone
>>told
>>> > you
>>> >> it is the same).
>>> >> Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our
>>business
>>> > and
>>> >> hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is
>>> guilty >> of
>>> >> this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start
>>> > people
>>> >> MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see
>>> > tonight.
>>> >>
>>> >> I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using >>
>>> numbers
>>> > they
>>> >> seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you
>>buy
>>> >> something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not
>>> > them,
>>> >> just how they came to call it that.
>>> >> Mike Farmer
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>
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