[meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Aug 3 12:14:53 2005
Message-ID: <BF163B83.200AE%mlblood_at_cox.net>

John, Sterling and all,
        John, first I would like to mention that I am "selective" in reading
what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with "AD"
and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and
those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority
of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you
and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you,
of course.
        In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never see
he who must not be named allowed to post, his "skill" at worming his
way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his
name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his
banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current
"signature" on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment,
I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts!
        Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes
some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously
the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!!
Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not
respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and
read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright
hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point
I only find it humorous.... nearly as much as the "Who's on first?"
routine).
        Now, as for ADs.... I gotta agree with you here, at least to the
point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try,
myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most,
one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week,
and some of the "better suppliers" (such as Adam & Mike Farmer to
name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I
am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious
just seeing the seemingly endless posts of "I have such and such on
eBay...." over and over and over, and "Only a few hours left!" etc. I find
these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least
droll.
       Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted slightly
to limit it to one a month per person - but all & all, the bottom line is
Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every
time someone said he "aught to" the list would long ago transformed
into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been.
        Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the
constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and
frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents
who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said,
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is....except every
other form of government." So, while this list is not a democracy, it
is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is.
I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on
the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even
hours, let alone days) when the meteorite "blog" was started!
        So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this way
or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his
wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore
the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to
likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find interesting.
        I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they
are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the
conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this sentiment
when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They
are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and
banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or
use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man,
get a grip!
        Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per month,
or whatever..... even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so
choose..... but resign the list because you can't control yourself and must
read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it.
        Best wishes, Michael
         

on 8/3/05 1:04 AM, Sterling K. Webb at kelly_at_bhil.com wrote:

> But...
> The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it, and
> what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what offends,
> and
> it's different for everybody.
> As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that on its
> own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever sent.
> Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky.
> My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine distinctions
> for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black coffee
> and
> hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock. Soon
> they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably get
> out
> of hand.
> I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you don't
> like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push. Just
> flush. Imagine that DEL stands for "DELiver to Hell," and you'll feel good
> when
> you do it.
> The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to remember
> all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said much
> the
> same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety, and use
> the button (but not enough), both.
>
> Sterling ("13,926 messages in my Inbox") Webb
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> JKGwilliam wrote:
>
>> Dave and List,
>> I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a
>> substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem.
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my
>> own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What
>> I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on
>> meteorites and get rid of all of the "AD" posts including all of the
>> "reminders" about Ebay auctions along with all of the other "off topic"
>> posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive
>> lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did
>> early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand
>> towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender
>> would be a good start.
>>
>> Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the
>> way it is?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> JKGwilliam
>>
>> At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote:
>>> Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago!!!!) from this
>>> list. I will gladly be the "sacrificial lamb" in this case. I haven't
>>> missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now
>>> on in the future....thanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with
>>> this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either
>>> electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage "this
>>> great hobby of ours". If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't
>>> have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in,
>>> day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true
>>> friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put
>>> it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go.
>>> But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some
>>> newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999....yeah...right!
>>> Count me out. I mean it!
>>>
>>> So, you choose Art....SSteve or me....it won't really hurt me feelings if
>>> it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity
>>> like Matteo anyways).
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups
>>>> for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have
>>>> added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till
>>>> sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry
>>>> for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on
>>>> yahoogroups.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
>>>>
>>>> Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
>>>>
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