[meteorite-list] Mutha Stone

From: Arizona Skies Meteorites <johnbirdsell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Dec 31 01:30:33 2005
Message-ID: <20051231063030.34223.qmail_at_web51514.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Adam. It seems you evaded the majority of the
questions that were put to you. If you do have some
actual evidence to back up your claim that there is
some new Chinese "meteorite" law, then please share it
with us and the rest of the list members. We asked you
about the Sikhotes that you are selling. Aren't you
interested in the export laws governing them?

   As for why fukang is supposedly "not being
promoted", what are you talking about? Maybe you're
Rip Van Hupe and have been asleep for the last hundred
years or so, but just to bring you up to speed, we
purchased a small amount which we have been selling on
ebay and our website for over a year. We also have
made a number of announcements to this list
advertizing it, and I would think that you might have
seen them? As I recall, a very large slice was
recently offer by a major auction house, Butterfields,
did you miss out on that? Perhaps you missed out on
the fact that it was being sold all over the World at
all of the major shows including Tucson, Denver,
Munich and Tokyo? It has been said that the majority
of it is not going to be for sale-that was another
meteorite list posting, miss that one? We don't know
the owners of the mass that is for sale, but I'm
guessing that they may not want to sell it on ebay,
and may have their sights set on a more affluent
clientele. For all I know, they may be taking out full
page ads in Conde nast, have you checked it out lately
Adam? Personally, if it were me, I'd hire Geoff
Notkin, as he certainly did a great job with Brenham.


Now Adam can you please back up your claim or shall we
just drop it and go back to sleep?



Thanks



-John








--- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:

> John and List Members,
>
> First of all, this is the very first time I have
> talked about Fukang
> publicly. If you read the string, you will see that
> another List member
> brought it up first. I have no interest at all in
> Chinese meteorites. I do
> not own a single meteorite from China nor have I
> ever sold one. My interest
> lies in legal fossils, minerals and meteorites. I
> have a contract with a
> startup company whom asks questions first and then
> purchases later. After
> investigating Chinese natural history goods we
> decided to stay away from
> them because, for the most part, they are considered
> black market (illegal)
> by legitimate concerns who will not touch them.
> What good is a product that
> is considered illegal by institutions and museums?
>
> You may want to tell the rest of the List why this
> is so. Why is it that the
> world's largest pallasite, supposedly as beautiful
> as Esquel is not being
> highly promoted by anybody who has any of it? Could
> it be a problem?
>
> The curious want to know,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites"
> <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
>
>
> > Hi Adam, that is an interesting question. It is
> > interesting because Chinese meteorites have been
> > exported from China for decades if not hundreds of
> > years. Chinese meteorites have been at all of the
> gem
> > and mineral shows across this country for decades.
> In
> > fact, I would go as far as to bet that every list
> > member has a Chinese meteorite or two in their
> > collection. How many do you have in your
> collection
> > Adam? I'm curious as to the motive for your sudden
> > "interest" in Chinese meteorites. The information
> that
> > we have received from reliable sources in China
> that
> > there aren't any regulations governing the export
> of
> > meteorites from China period. Fossils yes,
> meteorites
> > no. Of course this may change in the future, and
> we
> > have heard from a source in China that some
> efforts
> > are being made by a few to try to start regulating
> > meteorites as well. I suspect that your
> "information"
> > is incorrect. Of course, if you could provide the
> list
> > with a written copy of this "specific" legislation
> > that you are referring to, I'm sure that we could
> get
> > it translated into english within a day or two,
> and we
> > could all see for ourselves. We would all learn
> > something if you would do that for us. In the
> absence
> > of that though, it is difficult to envision why
> China
> > would have a specific "law" to regulate the export
> of
> > Rusty Nantans, which are basically the only
> meteorite
> > that would be exported from China. The fact that
> all
> > of the gem and mineral shows are full of Chinese
> > meteorites tends to suggest that there is no such
> law.
> > I find it a bit odd that you'd claim to be
> interested
> > in exporting meteorites from China as there really
> > hasn't been much to export from China with the
> > exception of rusty old Nantans. Is that what you
> were
> > going to export? Of course there were the five or
> six
> > rare Chinese meteorites such as those on Mike
> Farmer's
> > website, but these are rare, and would be
> unavialable
> > to you. Which Chinese meteorites were you planning
> on
> > exporting Adam?
> > We find the amount of b.s. being posted about
> > fukang is quite interesting. I guess it must be
> just
> > be jealousy on the part of the dealers that tried
> > unsucessfully to purchase it from the finder. I
> guess
> > they figure if they couldn't get it then they
> would
> > try to malign it in an attempt to devalue it. We
> of
> > course lost out too, but we can't fathom the
> extreme
> > enmity that has been directed towards the people
> that
> > ended up puchasing that meteorite-it is really
> quite
> > sad. Adam, you seem to have an inordinate amount
> of
> > interest in fukang. Just out of curiosity, were
> you
> > one of those individuals that tried unsucessfully
> to
> > purchase it? We know of several other list members
> > that tried unsucessfully, and now seem to be
> suffering
> > from the sour grape syndrome. Are you also
> interested
> > in Sikhote? I notice that you are selling quite a
> few
> > Sikhotes. Are you also curious about export
> > regulations for them too?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > I only asked because China has specific laws
> > prohibiting the export of
> > meteorites and fossils. A company I work for was
> > interested in bringing
> > them
> > out legally but China has a no-deal policy, even
> if
> > you represent a
> > museum.
> >
> > No paperwork other than an invoice, a declaration
> and
> > a waybill is
> > required
> > from Morocco although a well know dealer from
> Europe
> > tried to change
> > all of
> > this a few years back. He only ended up screwing
> > himself in the long
> > run.
> >
> > I ask again, how was a meteorite legally exported
> from
> > China who has
> > specific laws against such actions?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
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