[meteorite-list] Red Rain From Comets?

From: Kevin Forbes <vk3ukf_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon Mar 6 06:03:05 2006
Message-ID: <BAY113-F566855F2015B18D7BA6B099E90_at_phx.gbl>

Hi Sterling and list,

After a rather long ponder after reading,..........

I look at the elemental composition, I see the possible component ratios of
a particular type of star.
Something that perhaps blew itself to pieces, perhaps the composition
relates to a particular layer in that star.
Anyway, the cometary fragment that may have caused the red rain, could have
been a bit of a fluffy comet that

originated as a supernovas bones. If the the material has a quasi
crystalline, glass structure this may be due to the

sudden vapourisation of the original material when it hit the Earth's
atmoshphere at breakneck speed, plasmafying the

material almost. Miniature cometary tektites. The weird cellular structure
with the dimple may be due to the mini

blobs contraction on cooling. The near clear red tinge, is what I would
expect any vitreous material containing a

trace of Iron to be.

And along those lines, a bit further off the beaten track. How about
Pallasites being Star bones from a supernova as

well. Not all, maybe some are sourced from a transition layer between
Metallic cores and stoney crusts on planetary

bodies, maybe some are sourced from supernova detonations. When some stars
die, The main elements that are heavy that

are present are Iron, Silicon, Oxygen. Pallasites are Iron with Iron
silcates.

I would also like to check the NOAA and GOES weather satellite data for
India's weather patterns for the period of

time in question. Two months is a fair while for the event to occur in the
area, although I am certainly aware that

tropical systems can stick to you like Sh*t to a blanket.

I am also a confirmed believer in ET life, and I have NOOOOO problem in
coming to terms with biological material

being blasted across the universe. If there are bits of Moon, Mars, Venus
and other bodies on Earth then there are

bits of Earth on them also, and the other bodies in the Solar system.
Stromatolites have been around for a long time,

did their seeds land on Europa ? What did they evolve into ?

Ahhhaaa, would you like to see another space bio mystery, have a look at my
webpage, a third of the way down, there

is an image on a sample of the skin of the LDEF (Long Duration Exposure
Facility) spacecraft that spent many years in

orbit, what is that fungus growing on it ?

A list member has also informed me of difficulty in downloading the SOHO
video I posted today. Can someone please let

us know if they had success, or also suffered a failure. It works OK on both
my machines. For anyone that missed it,

the video link under the blue sun image at this URL...

http://www.qsl.net/vk3ukf/index.html

Cheers, very, very interesting.

Kevin Forbes, VK3UKF.
>
>Hi,
>
> This particular red rain story has been around
>for 5 years, since the rain fell in 2001. The "news"
>here is that it's finally being tested by someone
>other than the initial Indian investigators, whose
>paper on the red rain particles was accepted by
>"Astrophysics and Space Science," a well-known
>journal (but pro-panspermia) this January.
> Louis and Kumar's paper can be found at:
>http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0601/0601022.pdf
>
> Normally, I would blow this sort of thing off;
>we all know the red rains are African (or Arabian)
>dust. It fell on the Africa facing coast of India,
>blah, blah... It's been widely bandied about on
>nutty websites nobody wants to be seen looking
>at, and so forth.
>
> But when I heard this evening, the BBC do a
>story about Sheffield studying it, I dug up this
>paper and read it. Now I'm sceptical about my
>scepticism.
> Take a look at the microphotographs and the
>TEM and SEM photos. This is not dust, obviously.
>To call them "biological in appearance" is a study
>in understatement and modesty.
>
> Not being an expert in anything biological nor
>the appearance of cells in TEM and SEM, I invite
>the List's sceptics, whom I know exist from the
>last Panspermia go-round, to look this over and
>post an opinion.
>
> They look like biological cells, but not like
>the usual cells in some specific ways. They
>have thick walls, membranes, surface features,
>detail, and inner organizations, and are 4 to 8
>micrometers in diameter.
>
> They have no DNA or RNA, apparently.
>
> Their bulk composition is mostly CHON
>(carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen), 98%.
>
> They did fall from the sky, at least 50 tons
>of them.
>
> They do not seem to do anything, do not
>culture, grow, or change. However, sealed
>jars of them in their original rainwater have
>remained unchanged, undecayed or altered,
>after four years. In they were inorganic, that
>would be understandable, but a CHON
>mixture would rot in rainwater, or be eaten
>by real bacteria. The solution must have
>some bacteria as they were primitively
>collected; what happened to them?
>
> Comments? Ideas? Debunkment?
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
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>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/space/article/0,,1723936,00.html
>>
>>Red rain could prove that aliens have landed
>>Amelia Gentleman and Robin McKie
>>The Observer (United Kingdom)
>>March 5, 2006
>>
>>There is a small bottle containing a red fluid on a shelf in Sheffield
>>University's microbiology laboratory. The liquid looks cloudy and
>>uninteresting. Yet, if one group of scientists is correct, the phial
>>contains the first samples of extraterrestrial life isolated by
>>researchers.
>>
>>Inside the bottle are samples left over from one of the strangest
>>incidents in recent meteorological history. On 25 July, 2001, blood-red
>>rain fell over the Kerala district of western India. And these rain
>>bursts continued for the next two months. All along the coast it rained
>>crimson, turning local people's clothes pink, burning leaves on trees
>>and falling as scarlet sheets at some points.
>>
>>Investigations suggested the rain was red because winds had swept up
>>dust from Arabia and dumped it on Kerala. But Godfrey Louis, a physicist
>>at Mahatma Gandhi University in Kottayam, after gathering samples left
>>over from the rains, concluded this was nonsense. 'If you look at these
>>particles under a microscope, you can see they are not dust, they have a
>>clear biological appearance.' Instead Louis decided that the rain was
>>made up of bacteria-like material that had been swept to Earth from a
>>passing comet. In short, it rained aliens over India during the summer
>>of 2001.
>>
>>Not everyone is convinced by the idea, of course. Indeed most
>>researchers think it is highly dubious. One scientist who posted a
>>message on Louis's website described it as 'bullshit'.
>>
>>But a few researchers believe Louis may be on to something and are
>>following up his work. Milton Wainwright, a microbiologist at Sheffield,
>>is now testing samples of Kerala's red rain. 'It is too early to say
>>what's in the phial,' he said. 'But it is certainly not dust. Nor is
>>there any DNA there, but then alien bacteria would not necessarily
>>contain DNA.'
>>
>>Critical to Louis's theory is the length of time the red rain fell on
>>Kerala. Two months is too long for it to have been wind-borne dust, he
>>says. In addition, one analysis showed the particles were 50 per cent
>>carbon, 45 per cent oxygen with traces of sodium and iron: consistent
>>with biological material. Louis also discovered that, hours before the
>>first red rain fell, there was a loud sonic boom that shook houses in
>>Kerala. Only an incoming meteorite could have triggered such a blast, he
>>claims. This had broken from a passing comet and shot towards the coast,
>>shedding microbes as it travelled. These then mixed with clouds and fell
>>with the rain. Many scientists accept that comets may be rich in organic
>>chemicals and a few, such as the late Fred Hoyle, the UK theorist,
>>argued that life on Earth evolved from microbes that had been brought
>>here on comets. But most researchers say that Louis is making too great
>>a leap in connecting his rain with microbes from a comet.
>>
>>For his part, Louis is unrepentant. 'If anybody hears a theory like
>>this, that it is from a comet, they dismiss it as an unbelievable kind
>>of conclusion. Unless people understand our arguments - people will just
>>rule it out as an impossible thing, that extra-terrestrial biology is
>>responsible for this red rain.'
>>
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