[meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Oct 15 05:26:56 2006
Message-ID: <026d01c6f03c$0f7074d0$6501a8c0_at_HPDESKTOP>

Stan,

It is obvious you want it both ways. You base your Brachinite pairing
visually yet your Acap looks identical to 12 kilograms of material the
Aaronson's were selling over the last year. You are in touch with Dr. Bunch,
ask him about NWA 1839/3133 as this has already been addressed on the List
in some detail and as usual you came out on the short side of the stick. Ask
Dr. Bunch if your new Acap is paired to all of the other 12 kilograms unless
you are using another Aaronson number in which case he will not report back
to you.

Growing tired of this, some will never get it,

Adam




----- Original Message -----
From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days


> Adam,
>
> I'm not using official numbers to enhance the value of my stone - if i
> wanted to do that I would play it off as unique. If i mentioned i suspect
> pairings then OBVIOUSLY i would be talking about nwa 2999 and 3164 because
> it's not like there are too many non vessicualted nwa angrites out there.
> Instead of beating around the bush i just said what I belive to be true
> and gave the reason for such belief.
>
> As far as waiting for official pairings - there area wide array of tests
> that need to be done before a pairing would be considered 'official' -
> well above and beyond what is normally done for the purposes of
> classification. Arent all of those DHO lunars still waiting for 'offical'
> pairings?
>
> while the nwa 2775 acapolcoite might LOOK like the other ACAP floating
> around out there if you look at the write up you will see substantial
> differences in minerology and NAU has not informed me of any suspect
> pairing on that one. so with neither my standards nor yours - there doesnt
> seem to be any pairing on that one.
>
> One last thing - for the nth time (now that we are done arguing i hope you
> will honor my request)please post any relivant data you might have to the
> nwa 3133/1839 issue. I an genuinely most interested to see it.
>
>
>
>
>>Stan,
>>
>>Self-proclaimed pairings are considered bad business. I don't understand
>>why you cannot wait a week or two to get an official lab report with
>>official pairing statements since NAU provides this data. It is simple to
>>mention that you strongly suspect other pairings but using official
>>numbers to enhance the value of an unofficial stone is wrong. By the way,
>>if I was to use your standards of pairing, there is at least 10 more
>>kilograms paired to your supposedly unpaired Acapulcoite including NWA
>>2989 as they look identical to me, you can't have it both ways!
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
>>To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Adam,
>>>I will avoid the use of your name in my auctions from here on out unless
>>>I have some specific reason to do so (cant think of one off the top of my
>>>head but I'll just leave the possibility open) - but i will NOT refrain
>>>from posting information about possible pairings. either official or
>>>otherwise - provided they are properly qualified to prevent any possible
>>>misunderstanding. I belive not providing this sort of information to the
>>>collecting public does a disservice to the entire meteorite collecting
>>>community.
>>>
>>>In the context of this conversation if I am wrong about the pairing then
>>>the pieces I am offering are from a unique low TKW non vessicular
>>>angrite - and as such would be much more valuble (as i only have maybe 6g
>>>total of extra material to offer). conversely if the suspect pairing is
>>>correct and i DIDNT disclose it a collector would quite possibly be
>>>disapointed to know that the material has an effective TKW in the KG
>>>range (an order of magnitude more than the mass of my piece) and is
>>>avalible from multiple sources other than me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Stan,
>>>>
>>>>I would be happy to let this debate end here and now. All I ask is not
>>>>to mention my last name out of context in a public auction, we have
>>>>discussed this before. You have the right to run your auctions any way
>>>>you want but if I see unofficial pairing statements to material I am
>>>>involved with, I will take exception to it, sometimes publicly since our
>>>>investment in time and energy is great and I do not believe in free
>>>>rides.
>>>>
>>>>Adam
>>>>
>>>>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:12 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just admit you are telling fibs. You say that Aaronson and others say
>>>>>>the stones look the same. That's funny, Aaronson and Boswell have
>>>>>>never seen NWA 2999! You know what happened when Farrell changed the
>>>>>>NWA 2999 abstract to match his sample. It is simple, get your facts
>>>>>>straight!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam,
>>>>>
>>>>>If you say Greg did not get nwa 2999 from Adam Aaronson I will take
>>>>>your word and admit to being mistaken specifically regarding the origin
>>>>>of nwa 2999. Aaronson HAS seen nwa 3164 - a pairing to nwa 2999 per the
>>>>>metbull website - and would be happy to tell you it's the same stuff as
>>>>>my provisional nwa 2934. I dont know what Boswell has to say about this
>>>>>material as i dont know the guy, and have never made any claims to his
>>>>>opinion on the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>are all clear now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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