[meteorite-list] LOCATION of a hammer

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <265066.11739.qm_at_web36911.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sterling -

Hmmm. Died of plague and impact at the same time?
Confusing - I wonder their source.

My assumption is that some kind of victory temple
would have been built, most likely with an
astronomical theme. Do you have any possibilites?

good huntin,
Ed

--- "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Hi, Ed, List,
>
> Where was Pompeius Strabo when he died?
> Pretty sure it was in the immediate vicinity of
> Rome itself, outside the walls and within, say 20
> Roman miles and probably 10.
> Encyclopedia Brit., 11th Ed., says Gnaeus
> Pompeius
> Strabo died of the "plague," and that "a mob dragged
> his
> body through the streets until a tribune
> interceded."
> The legion that Strabo raised were from, and
> were based
> at, Picenum up north, and his son took them back
> there
> after the old man's death.
> Picenum was home. Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo, often
> referred to as Strabo or Pompey Strabo in English,
> was a
> Roman from the rural province of Picenum. He became
> the first
> of the Pompeii to achieve senatorial status in Rome,
> despite
> the anti-rural prejudice of the Roman Senate. After
> proving
> his military talent, Strabo climbed the cursus
> honorum and
> became consul in the year 89 BC, in the midst of the
> Social
> War. That a war against the Socii, or Allies, other
> Italian
> cities who usually sided with Rome but were upset at
> their
> treatment at the hands of the Romans.
> Strabo commanded Roman forces against these
> Italian
> Allies in the northern part of Italy. His three
> Roman legions
> were instrumental in Rome's victory. After his
> consulship
> and the war, Strabo retired to Picenum with all of
> his
> veteran soldiers.
> He remained there until 87 BC, when he responded
> to
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla's request for help against
> Gaius
> Marius.
> Strabo besieged Rome, but died before any battle
> could
> be fought. This would seem to pinpoint his location.
> Strabo's son, the famous Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus
> (Pompey the Great), took the legions back to
> Picenum.
> Says the Wiki: "Strabo had the habit of playing
> both
> ends against the middle in the intense politics of
> the period.
> Sulla arranged to remove Strabo from the command and
>
> replace him with a handpicked confederate. Strabo
> left
> camp on "personal business" while his soldiers
> killed
> the replacement."
> This was apparently outside of Rome (if
> beseiging it).
> Sulla's replacement, who Strabo's troops killed, was
>
> the consul Q. Pompeius Rufus, poor dum SOB. There
> seems no doubt that Strabo was at Rome: "Strabo,
> whose
> duty [to Sulla] it was to defend Rome against Cinna
> and
> Marius, negotiates with Cinna, but dies during the
> general
> epidemic [in 87 BC]."
> The Romans started their year in the dead of
> winter, like
> we do, on January 1.*
> So, there was at Rome at one and the same time,
> a civil
> war, an epidemic of type unknown, and an
> army-killing
> lightning, blast, impact, or airburst event.
> I'd say the omens at that moment were NOT good,
> wouldn't you?
> If it was at Rome or nearby, you can forget
> looking
> for any traces as few places on Earth have been more
>
> chewed up, for thousands of years, than the general
> neighborhood of Rome!
>
> *The Roman civil year started on 1st January and
> its
> use continued until the seventh century AD. The
> Christian
> Church generally wished to move towards using one of
>
> its major festivals as the start of the year, and
> Christmas
> Day was used from the time of Bede (AD 672 or 673
> to 735) until the twelfth century.
> The Feast of the Annunciation, 25th March,
> started
> to be used in the ninth century as the beinginning
> of
> the calendar year in parts of southern Europe, but
> only
> became widespread in Europe from the eleventh
> century
> and in England from the late twelfth.
> It then held sway until the sixteenth century.
> 1st January
> then started to be used as the start of the year,
> starting
> in Venice in 1522. Dates when this change was made
> in some
> other countries are: 1544 Germany; 1556 Spain,
> Portugal,
> the Catholic Netherlands; 1559 Prussia, Denmark,
> Sweden;
> 1564 France; 1579 Lorraine; 1583 the Protestant
> Netherlands;
> 1600 Scotland; 1725 Russia; 1721 Tuscany; and
> finally in
> 1752, England and her colonies. So, when you read
> that
> something happened in February, 1630, in London, it
> was
> really February, 1631 by our way of reckoning.
> Annoying.
> But for the Romans, it's not a problem.
>
> As for Augustus consolidating power slowly: "In
> 22 BC,
> Augustus resigns his eleventh consulship, probably
> because
> of illness. He is awarded for life full tribunician
> powers,
> and extended imperium which gives him authority over
>
> any provincial governor and over the army (renewed
> for
> five years in 18 and 13, and for ten years in 8, and
>
> AD 3 and 13.)
> In 22, there's famine and plague. Augustus
> declines
> the dictatorship and censorship for life, but
> accepts
> the post of "corn supremo." He leaves for the East
> for three years. In 21, Agrippa is forced by
> Augustis
> to divorce his existing wife and marry Augustus's
> daughter Julia, whose husband Marcellus died after
> being married to her for two years.
> In 18, the Senate is reduced to a mere 600
> senators.
> (You think 100 is bad?) Agrippa is granted special
> powers.
> In 17, Augustus adopts Agrippa's and Julia's two
> sons,
> Gaius and Lucius, as his own sons.
> In 15, Tiberius and Drusus, Augustus's Claudian
> stepsons, defeat the Raeti and Vindelici, whose
> territory
> becomes a Roman province.
> In 13, Tiberius's first consulship. Augustus
> returns
> to Rome after three years in Gaul, and Agrippa after
>
> three years in the east. Agrippa's special powers
> are
> extended for five years. Lepidus dies. Augustus is
> elected pontifex maximus. In 12, Agrippa dies.
> Tiberius
> is forced to marry his widow, Augustus' daughter
> Julia.
> Augustus' power is pretty much complete at this
> point.
> It is not just that his rivals for power are dead,
> but that
> all the potential heirs to power are also firmly
> under his
> control; there is no child out there with a claim to
> similar honors being raised by some other family to
> someday threaten Augustus and the family he controls
> for power. Of course, most of them will die before
> they are in a position to be a threat. Most
> convenient.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:16 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] In search of a hammer
>
>
> Well, Sterling,
>
> There was a difference between haruspicy and
> astromancy. How and when they became "secret" is the
> issue at hand. Were they already "mysterious" at the
> time of the founding of the Empire? Or did they
> become "secret" with the founding of the college?
>
> For the problem at hand, the important information
> is
> where that army was when it was hit. Any ideas on
> that?
>
> good hunting,
> Ed
>
>


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Received on Mon 16 Apr 2007 01:31:49 PM PDT