[meteorite-list] Theories, facts, and personal attacks

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:23:07 -0500
Message-ID: <026301c84837$cd09ecc0$0200a8c0_at_Gregor>

Hi John and other irritated "receivers" of the "Stew-age",

John wrote:
"You guys remind me of the PortaPotties at a Rock Concert...on the fourth
Give it a rest and go take (this applies to both/all of you) your dog
for a long walk."

If I had to think of a visual to describe the Mammoth barf thread, I would
think of a puppy whose balls just dropped and it felt like it had to bark
and attack others around it to be one of the big dogs. Too much personal
barking to remain on the List!!

Best regards,

Greg Hupe
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----- Original Message -----
From: "JKGwilliam" <h3chondrite at cox.net>
To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Theories, facts, and personal attacks

> You guys remind me of the PortaPotties at a Rock Concert...on the fourth
> day!
> Give it a rest and go take (this applies to both/all of you) your dog for
> a long walk.
> John
> At 04:59 PM 12/26/2007, E.P. Grondine wrote:
>>Hi Bob -
>> >E.P. and List,
>> >I see no reason to lower the bar on this discussion
>>by >resorting to personal attacks against Jason. You
>> >evidently have never met this young man, or you might
>> >be embarrassed by your treatment of him here.
>>All I know of Jason is his behaviour in his recent
>>posts, and his failure to learn anything despite
>>Sterling's repeated attempts to point him in the right
>>What I personally find irritating is his repeated
>>attributions to me of mentions of "airbursts", and his
>>repeated confusions of the 10,900 BCE events and the
>>31,000 impact event.
>> >I've known Jason for many years, and have found him
>>to >be among the more articulate, educated, and
>> >scientifically-minded of individuals --
>> >not just among his age-group, but even when compared
>> >to people many years his senior.
>>He is among the best of our young people? Great Spirit
>>help us!
>> >Are you really so sure that his understanding of
>> >impact dynamics is any worse than your own?
>> >(Yes, E.P., you have latched on to some very curious
>> >notions about what is and is not possible during a
>>NEO >impact.)
>>Do share your wisdom, then, Bob - I've made some real
>>blunders over the years, but thankfully I've had those
>>here who gently would try to point me in the right
>> >As for a comet impact in 10,900 BCE being a "fact" as
>> >opposed to a theory or a hypothesis, it has not been
>> >demonstrated (at least not to my satisfaction) that
>> >the *effects* you attribute to a comet impact are
>> >~uniquely~ explained by such.
>>If you have any other explanation for the impactites
>>which have been found, do share it.
>> >Mega-fauna die off can be caused by many things;
>>True; but not so abruptly and widely.
>> >even if a die-off is demonstrated to temporally
>> >coincide with evidence of a large impact, coincidence
>> >is not proof of causation.
>>Argue causation with me after you don't eat for three
>>or four months.
>> >It's certainly strongly ~suggestive~, but it does not
>> >rise to the level of fact.
>> >And frankly I see no reason (other than hubris) to
>> >elevate the language from "theory" to "fact", when
>> >"theory" is a perfectly fine way of describing the
>> >level of understanding.
>>Dismissing the impactite layer as "theory" does not
>>strike me as being scientific, and it isn't really
>>"hubris" either, its simply that the mind has trouble
>>accepting that you, your loved ones, everyone you ever
>>knew and everything you ever did can be blown off the
>>face of the Earth in an instant without any warning.
>>If you have any other explanation for it, then please
>>share it.
>> >"Theory" gets such a bum rap these days, e.g. "it's
>> >only a theory." Theories are great! General
>> >relativity, evolution, the Big Bang --
>> >theories all of them.
>>Yeah. Right now one of my working theories is that
>>hyper-velocity impacts are releasing high energy
>>neutrons and protons.
>>Another working theory of mine is that earlier iron
>>impacts can be used as models to try and find more
>>data from other large iron impacts.
>>E.P. Grondine
>>Man and Impact in the Americas
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