[meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 01:38:45 +0200
Message-ID: <003a01c7974a$2e52c960$e46dfea9_at_name86d88d87e2>

Come on folks, to much spare time?

Mark:
"I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open and welcoming
community."

- Wrong.

"Most hobbies try to encourage beginners - proponents want to share their
knowledge, wonder and passion about their interests."

- true and with this list, you found exactly the right place.
Check the archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/
Here on the list you'll find more infotmation about meteorites than in any
other place on web and you are invitated to address to the list, whenever
you have a meteoritical question.

Ken:
Maybe the seller isn't intentionally fraudulent?
That Prof. Ameri seems to be a real person, although he seems to have some
idiosyncratic theories, if one tries to interpret that sketch:
http://www.radiochaco.com.ar/meteorito.htm

A "Berlin Astronomical Center" does exist in Berlin Potsdam at the
Urania-Planetarium: http://www.radiochaco.com.ar/meteorito.htm
The "Astronomische Zentrum Bruno H. Buergel",
named after an astronomer and author of popular astronomy books.

Certainly not the first address in Berlin for meteorites,
that would be the Humboldt-University.

Best!
Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
Utas
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Mai 2007 01:11
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

Hello Ken, Bill, Mark, All,

Ken's message just informed 600+ people that there was a fraudulent
seller on ebay.

Ben's post told 600+ people that *he* was fed up with reading other
peoples' posts about fraudulent sellers.

This is one of those cases where I would have to say that, without a
doubt, Ken had every right to post his message, and you had no right
to tell him off, Bill.
Even if you don't care to read posts about suspicious/fraudulent
sellers, posts such as Ken's obey all list rules, and perform a
service to novices who may be lurking on the list (or scanning list
archives on google), hoping to find information on what and what not
to buy.

If you don't like reading them, delete them, and if you get fed up
with a single person's posts, by all means, block them or filter out
there posts through selective email scanning (most email services have
this sort of feature) - but don't post personal attacks to the list
like you just did, because posts such as that are actually in direct
violation of list policies.

All talk must be meteorite-related and non-combative, at least with
regard to pointed statements such as "Are you bored to death?"

It's simply uncalled for. If you don't like posts such as this, and
feel a need to respond, please do so privately (and, I hope, politely
in the future).

Bill, the person you mentioned in your message, Matteo, came onto the
list while I was here and has come and gone a few times since then.
He was blocked a few times for posting private messages to the list
and using...inappropriate language.
People may have gotten onto his case for posting ebay warnings, but I
believe that they actually did so because of his warnings pertaining
to the classic 'Nigerian scam' postings that everyone seems to get
(They're so easy to recognize in general, that people get annoyed when
warned of such things.)
...That, and he's an easy target - people on this list seem to get
into a frenzy when someone who's not too eloquent or perhaps not a
native English speaker comes on and posts...it's sad, but even true
meteorite enthusiasts with good intentions get beaten up on here; it's
just a fact that hasn't changed in, well, the nine years I've been on
here.

Sorry this goes out to the list, but I do think it has something to do
with list policy in general - perhaps attacks could become a little
less...prolific.

Regards,
Jason



On 5/15/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> This list is for everyone. I don't comment all that often. When I do it's
> for a good reason. Ken knows what I'm getting at. All the points you made
> are accurate. I think the mix of personalities here makes for an
interesting
> forum. I hope I didn't offend you but if I did, change things.
>
> Incapable of grandstanding,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark at annasach.net
> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:37:48 +0100
> To: glixard at inbox.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?
>
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> What is it with some of the people on this distribution? According to the
> met-list About, this is...
>
> "...with over 600 members, the best place to get information on rocks from
> space!"
>
> I'm old on astronomy, and newish on meteorites. I joined thinking I'd
"get
> information on rocks from space". As for Ken's post (I don't know the
man)
> - it's useful to get a feel for the kind of scams that are around. I'm
not
> stupid, but I can be misled.
>
> What's the primary purpose of this group, nowadays, in reality? Is it for
> dealers? Mainly dealers, with collector/lurkers hoping to get an inside
> tip? Or just a place for the Old Boys to ignore or beat up the new guys?
> As a new member, I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open and
> welcoming community. Most hobbies try to encourage beginners - proponents
> want to share their knowledge, wonder and passion about their interests.
> This kind of BS can only serve to put people off the whole hobby.
>
> So I guess I'll be flamed for this - off-list is fine, but I suppose
there's
> more grandstanding to be done by posting on-list. :-\
>
> Mark
>
> Bill wrote:
> Hi Ken,

Are you bored to death? I am. A lot of list members have been
> reamed out for posting these ebay warnings. Matteo comes to mind.

Please
> stop. If we want your opinion we'll join the imca and view it on your
> invaluable website/s

Bill

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