[meteorite-list] ...mali or Algeria ...

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:41:33 +0200
Message-ID: <007b01c814f4$515379a0$177f2a59_at_name86d88d87e2>

Well,

I have the speculation, when in beginning of MetSoc the members came
together and decided to work out a catalogue,
they mainly referred in the naming process to the already existing names
used in publications and literature and tried rather to be more complete, to
enable all to identify a name in a publication/collection unequivocally with
the very meteorite, and therefore they listed all alternative names they
found,
which maybe was more important for them as the normative aspect.

Speculations, a historian have to help us.

E.g. If they would have renamed the famous "Elbogen" into the real Bohemian
name of that town "Loket", who would then have known, that it was Loket,
with wich Widmannst?tter printed his Thomson structures?
And also like this, if single pieces of a large meteorite do have local
names, which may be the case with Campo or with North Chile or with Cape
York, and those were used in the publications before, then it's necessary to
list them there.

Another example, when I read Cohen's price lists, I found the synonyms
listed in the Catalogue more than helpful, as in several cases, the very
same meteorite was traded then under 3 or more different names, most
probably not yet known, that it was the same. - Imilac for instance.

Of course it's perhaps a little bit disappointing, that a completely new
fall, has already a synonym (if one uses synonym in a not taxonomic but more
linguistic sense, two different names denoting the very same thing),
but simply be a little bit patient.

Problem is, speakers use words as they like and as they are efficient for
communication. Now there was a lot "Oum Dreyga" around as "Amgala",
so it's natural, that people communicate about Amgala.
In 10 years there won't be much Amgala/Oum Dreyga left, new collectors will
have been born, our hair will be grey, more publications will have used the
official name "Oum Dreyga", as it's printed bold in the Catalogue
and all will refer to those incredible fresh stones, once sold for peanuts,
only as "Oum Dreyga".

Huh, side question.
Now with the new rules of NomCom to name NWA-country-finds with coordinates
with geographical names, what will happen if there were paired stones
before, which have already NWA-numbers?

Best!
Martin

 


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An: Martin Altmann
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ...mali or Algeria ...

Hi Martin,

I guess even when the taxonomic spirit lights a fire under me, I should
endure quietly or go to the alt.religion or alt.lawenforcement lists
instead. In a practical sense I think your answer is accurate. Continuous
improvement? Bah! Who needs it! (can someone say what Mah! means? I'd
like to use that some time in a post, but couldn't find it in the
dictionary.)

Thanks for the NWA 859 reference regarding the synonym 'Taza', which was
news to me and a very good illustration. Can this be traced to a particular

dealer promoting the alternate nomenclature? Yes, from now on, as the IMCA
seems to endorse this (there have been no objections from them): No need to
have a closed mind, now I can use my synonym of choice. Got some good El
Taco locality. I give you good deals, man ...

Best wishes, Doug




----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ...mali or Algeria ...



Yep Doug,

in general one should use the official names,
but in a few cases other names establish simply by common use.
Here the stones were already widely distributed, when NomCom fixed the name.
And still today a collector will have to think a second, if he reads the
name Oum Dreyga, until he knows, which stone is referred to.
No big deal, one should write both names on to one's pages.
I personally think, that "Amgala" will survive for quite a long while,
as phonetically and linguistically with its light vowels and open syllables
it's compatible to much more languages as the more complicate "Oum Dreyga".

Another example would be Taza. Official name is "NWA 859".
No one refers to those popular and cute irons as NWA 859,
but everyone knows, which iron is meant, if he reads "Taza".
And that's important.

Blue Book is not the bible, still today many official names are misspelled,
mistakes in the transcription were done too, some geographical
places/towns/villages have changed their name meanwhile and so on...

I could bet, that now "Carancas" will be the prevailing name for at least
the next 20 years..

Best!
Martin

PS: Hey Marcin, I think several Polish meteorites have to be relabelled, as
their names are completely unpronounceable!
If you give me your Wietrzno-Bobrka, I'll sarcrify my Sch?fftlarn



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I just looked it up on the Meteoritical Bulletin Database (who said it was
a
great invention? I totally agree!).
I did a search on "Amgala" and it says:

"Synonyms containing "amgala"
Amgala is a synonym for Oum Dreyga (MB89)"

Synonyms have always been accepted and listed. And some meteorites have
lots
of synonyms, just look up Canyon Diablo (35 synonyms)!

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.IMCA.cc




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