[meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit

From: Dave Gheesling <dave_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:17:21 -0400
Message-ID: <D5DD65D1CAE14A1F90C8D2432FF0074D_at_meteorroom>

Hello Norbert & All,
I absolutely realize that the IMCA does a lot of wonderful things today and
hope that my suggestions weren't taken in any other way. Most of what I've
said has been forward looking by design, and given the great start that the
IMCA is off to it is that organization which is best positioned to tackle
some of these bigger issues to an even greater extent in the future. I was
honored to be accepted as a member and hope that everything I do in the
arena is in keeping with the terrific standards which you have established.
Thanks,
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Norbert Classen [mailto:riffraff at timewarp.de]
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:08 PM
To: dave at fallingrocks.com; 'Walter Branch';
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit

Hi Dave, and All,

You wrote:

> Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over time by virtue
> of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny
> membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper
> evidence of provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a
> pipe dream, maybe not.

We actually do that on a regular basis, already. We are getting about four
membership applications or more per week, and only about one is approved by
a majority vote by the IMCA Board of Directors. Some applications don't even
make it to voting as many applicants fail to list recommending members, or
just fill in names of members who never heard about them. So yes, we check
the reputation of each and every applicant, we check their eBay auctions and
website sales (if any), and we often discuss their behaviour on the list (if
they are posting here), and other things prior to voting.
Of course, that doesn't mean that we can check everything, and sometimes we
receive complaints about our members that are always taken very seriously by
the IMCA Board of Directors. There have been a few cases in which we had to
expell members for various reasons, and I think most of you are aware of
that. So it's not just a dream - the IMCA is very real and functioning; I
just wish that more people would be aware of that. In any case, be assured
that some people would have no chance to get into our Association - we're
certainly not blind, and we are very well aware of what's going on. All of
you good guys and gals are most welcome, of course. So, if you are a honest
dealer, and if you are no IMCA member, thus far, why not?

All the best,
Norbert Classen
President, IMCA Inc.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

Walter & All,
Agreed, though "nice" might easily be taken to include "with integrity." As
it stands today, McCartney is correct to say "good luck proving that
[so-and-so] had prior knowledge they were selling NWA junk" as something of
significant provenance. Again, were IMCA to establish enough power over
time by virtue of the value of their authority, they would be able to deny
membership to sellers who could not or would not provide proper evidence of
provenance for certain types of specimens. Maybe a pipe dream, maybe not.
But "playing nice," it seems to me, does not include sitting on the
sidelines only to watch something which may be detrimental to this field
unfold (and for which apparently zero counter-evidence has been provided
after repeated requests) without question by SOMEone or SOME body of
authority. Of course this is just one guy's opinion...
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Branch
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:13 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit

>This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice.

Well said, McCartney.

-Walter Branch

________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "McCartney Taylor" <mccartney at blackbearddata.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit


> Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in
> regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only

> received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many
> months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he
> has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not
> communicate. Which is what he's doing now.
>
> He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge.
> Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have

> the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At
> this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the
> judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time.
>
> If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen
> would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu
> Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual
> Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA

> junk.
>
> This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice.
>
> -mt
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: AL Mitterling <almitt at kconline.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM
>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ?
>>
>> Greetings List Members,
>>
>> On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in
>> question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have
>> stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest
>> people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for
>> themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is
>> how it got to that point in the first place. Best!
>>
>> --AL Mitterling
>>
>
>
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