[meteorite-list] One ad per week, one pet per sailor - parrots preferred.

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:07:34 -0400
Message-ID: <e51421550910160907x510f3896s3dc671826a579fcc_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,

"THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH
THE MOST ADS."

I respectfully disagree here. I've seen perfectly good questions
about meteoritics posted in the past, only to hear crickets and see
tumbleweeds in response. More often than not, the preponderance of
ads on the list is distracting at best. I adhere to the rule and I
expect others to, regardless of how they justify themselves. A $50
sale for me can make the difference between buying groceries or paying
a bill, yet I post no more than one ad a week.(admittedly, once or
twice in two+ years I have broken this rule) It's incredulous to
think that someone with a million dollar collection needs sales so bad
that the rules must broken, again and again. I could probably use the
sales more than 99% of the rule breakers. When was the last time the
big dealers rolled coins to buy gas or groceries?

All of this is moot anyway - the only opinion on this issue that
matters is Art's. Until he chimes in, all of this discord is
pointless.

Like someone else said before - contact Art in private and discuss
this with him. There are 1000+ people here to learn about meteorites
- I would wager that most of them don't care to hear all of this
belly-aching over advertisements.

Back to my original point - many of the best discussions on this list
(in my ~2 years here) have not centered around ads. I can cite
examples from the archives, but again - I'm not Art, so who cares?

A piece of friendly advice for the anti-ad crowd - use your inbox filters!

I haven't seen an ad from any of the rule breakers in months - they go
straight to my junk bin.

Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

PS - AD! - I have Udei Station, Gibeon and Seymchan etched slices
available for sale! Contact me offlist for details. These are not on
my website and come from my collection cabinet. :)






On 10/15/09, michael cottingham <mikewren at gilanet.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most
> productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON
> METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole
> topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST
> TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of
> the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective
> maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics...
>
> Michael Cottingham
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote:
>
>> <The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art
>> about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a
>> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse.
>> The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being
>> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members
>> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but
>> the majority of other members as well.> <SNIP>
>>>
>>>
>> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on
>> record as saying that he did not mind ads.
>> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack
>> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from
>> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months
>> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically
>> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that
>> they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best
>> online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week".
>> Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare
>> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and
>> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and
>> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue
>> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack
>> arts list as if it was their own.
>> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these
>> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because
>> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their
>> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored).
>> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been
>> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete
>> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike
>> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural
>> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few).
>> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around
>> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically
>> ruining things for everybody.
>> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other
>> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you
>> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont
>> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even
>> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to
>> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no
>> ownership or control of this list?
>> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos.
>> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even
>> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself.
>> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If
>> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us.
>> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as
>> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is
>> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list
>> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as
>> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election).
>> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed
>> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of
>> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti
>> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads.
>> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that.
>> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to
>> your attacks anymore
>> Sincerely
>> DEAN
>>
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