[meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil question

From: Impactika at aol.com <Impactika_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:39:46 EDT
Message-ID: <114317.4a59c0e5.39aefad2_at_aol.com>

Hello Ron,
 
I am sorry, I don't have much of an answer either. Looking in the MetList
archives, I did find an email from a member of the Italian team dated Aug. 1,
and Mike's translation. (see below) That email does state that the pieces
were stolen.
Sorry, this is all I found, since I didn't buy any, I didn't particularly
pay attention.
Also, having been in Egypt, I am well aware of the strictly enforced
Egyptian laws regarding any ancient artifacts, but I don't know if they apply to
meteorites.

Does anybody know more about it?
 
Anne M. Black
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-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic
Stone & Ironworks
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:45 AM
To: pyram at libero.it
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron

Hi Giancarlo and List,

What an interesting and unfortunate development. Most meteorite
collectors and dealers were unaware of the situation at Kamil crater.

For those on the List who cannot read Italian, here is a Google
translated version of the forum discussion -

http://tinyurl.com/29qqopq

Does this mean that specimens of Kamil in private hands are illegal?
(i.e. Berduc)

Best regards,

MikeG

PS - If these are illegal, then for once, I am glad I didn't receive
any of this iron and don't have any.


>>----Messaggio originale----
>>Da: pyram at libero.it
>>Data: 01/08/2010 9.24
>>A: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
> com>
>>Ogg: Re: [meteorite-list] Writing on Gebel Kamil iron
>>
>>Sorry, but I cannot help you.
>>
>>All the meteorites now on the market are illegally collected and sold
because
>>evidently some persons a little time after our expedition give the
position of
>>the crater and of the meteorites.
>>
>>In fact after our February 2010 mission all the area was declared from
the
>>military autorities off limits and no permission are released to anybody.
>>
>>But clearly some persons went illegally in the area without any
permission
> and >>they collected many meteorite samples to put its in the market, and
> evidently numbered some samples.
>>
>>The true history about what happened is online in the forum of my
website:
>>
>>http://www.zerzuraclub.org/index.php?
>>option=com_fireboard&func=view&id=923&catid=4&Itemid=74#923
>>
>>Giancarlo Negro


In a message dated 8/31/2010 1:08:59 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
rhartman04 at earthlink.net writes:
Good morning all:

In reference to all the posts and interests regarding Gebel Kamio, it is my
understanding that only 20 kilo of Gebel Kamil was approved for
removal from the crater for scientific purposes by the research team that
explored the crater, and that a quantity was later removed by an
unauthorized person who illegally removed meteorites without the Egyptian
government's permission, and that no export documents were ever approved for
any others by the government. If this is true, then I would like to think
no reputable dealer who was aware of this would ethically want to buy and
sell this material, (I should like to believe so!). Are these facts indeed
true or has
something changed that I have not heard about?? I see Gebel Kamil
saturating Ebay and I'm wondering whether the Egyptian government is now
permitting collecting or whether additional material is now being allowed
out, and what about export papers? Having spent some time in Egypt I know
that because of the countries rich abundance of historical artifacts of all
kinds including things that can sometimes be found just by kicking the sand,
the government has a blanket policy regarding anything that one may want to
remove from the country, and the policy is NO, whether specifics are stated
or not. Maybe some dealer has traded some of his exotic meteorites or a
camel or two for a bucket full of GK. I don't know. May we have a
discussion here? I think some clarification and update would be
of interest. Someone know something??

Thank You,
Ron Hartman
Received on Tue 31 Aug 2010 08:39:46 PM PDT