[meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome!

From: John.L.Cabassi <John_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:25:06 -0800
Message-ID: <000101caa552$086fdad0$a166fea9_at_anitak9bz49jy2>

G'Day List
Well bloody hell, a simple one liner as an aussie joke causing such an
uprising is amazing. Well not exactly, with the met list, you plant a
seed and a hundred run in with a watering can full of miracle grow to
see who can make it grow the fastest. My comment about sidearms was the
first thing that came to my mind after many visits to Arizona, either
nugget shooting or meteorite hunting. I was amazed at the amount of
people wearing sidearms, knowing that our privilege in Australia has
been squashed just like the distribution of meteorites in Australia has
been squashed. But just on the Arizona aspect, deserts are dangerous,
be it wildlife or humans. I could get into a huge rant over all this,
but I'm not going to waste the list's time.

I would just like to apologize to all on both sides of this discussion.
I feel it was all in jest and the pictures being posted of guns were all
staged. I think all have the common sense to conduct themselves in a
responsible manner. If you take a close look at the image with the young
sheila and Geoff Notkin; it was totally staged and definitely not
pointed in anyone's direction. Ahh, the way people interpret pictures
and movies.

So as Mark stated, a white flag. He's right, there's no reason for this.
It was a little bit of fun and damn, we all need a little bit of fun
these days.

So to finish off, I wish everyone coming from all areas of the Earth to
Arizona for the Tucson show a fun loving event, lots of bargains and
many friends with good memories. Once again, for the 3rd year, I can't
get there. Now if anything sucks, that does.

Cheers
John

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Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants

but here goes:

The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage
coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's
Berry
Farm in California. The photo was just for fun.

The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun
owners/users. That was a "Bad Post" and should be apologized for!
Martin
joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the
photo
situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him
as well.

I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we

have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous
as he
is with meteorite matters he is with guns.

With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional

competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute

safety!!!

I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then
again,
I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt.

This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites.
We
are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a
little
help.

Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I
took
pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with

Daisy the "old girl" hound.)

My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural
differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a
visitor in!!!

I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest
participants
for drinking too much beer!

The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The
condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was
designed to
be!

Tom

In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
geeg48 at msn.com writes:


I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was
just
plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only
recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Really....what
a pantload!
   

Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in
Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several
of
them....yes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules
and I
wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but
PLEASE!

I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with "gun
safety". I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically
anti-gun.
 It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it
somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard
to tell
from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had
been
a bright "day glow" green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I
still
think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said,
this
all has to do with a certain mindset. Period.
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