[meteorite-list] More on the Lorton... or Lorton hears a Who ?

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:57:01 -0500
Message-ID: <20100130115701.37AMW.466194.imail_at_fed1rmwml45>

Paul wrote;
"I have always wondered about the case of a meteorite hitting a
house or landed on a property, for which the "owner" was still
paying off his or her mortgage."
I am pretty sure that the mortgage holder does not legally own anything outright except a piece of paper. Unless they go through foreclosure procedures. I think this has been illustrated recently by cases being thrown out of court where bankers complained of owners selling off parts of the property prior to the final foreclosure date, In these cases home owners got to keep the proceeds of sales of things that normally would have stayed with the home. Things such as kitchen cabinets, sinks, etc. The court ruled that lenders are just lenders.
I would like to know how state and city Gov's fit in? I seem to remember from this list that AZ. treats finds as okay as long as you have some sort of hunting or collecting permit? I think they said they allow collection of all but burial objects and arrow heads? Carl

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Paul Heinrich <oxytropidoceras at cox.net> wrote: 
> In 
> http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-January/060468.html ,
> Richard Kowalski wrote:
> 
> "I find the comments amusing. It's pretty obvious
> that the rock belongs to the land owner, not the
> doctors. I just wonder if it dawned on them
> themselves or if someone contracted them about
> this. I'm not even suggesting one of the dealers
> mentioned in the article contacted the owner
> about this, but I wouldn't be surprised if some
> hunter contacted them to advise them of their
> rights..."
> 
> When the fall was first reported, it struck me as being strange that
> the doctors should to be claiming to be the owners when they
> likely were only renting it.
> 
> In a similar vein, I noted that a person or two, who sold Park Forest
> meteorites to collectors said that they found their Park Forest
> meteorites in the street. In such a case, the real owners of those
> meteorites would be the city of Park Forest. Noboby seemed to
> question their ownership of their meteorites at that time.
> 
> In 
> http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-January/060498.html ,
> Greg Stanley about the "Hodges Meteorite Strike (Sylacauga
> Aerolite)" wrote:
> 
> "On December 1, 1954, the day after Ann Hodges
> was struck, he discovered a second fragment of the
> meteorite in the middle of a dirt road. McKinney
> was able to sell his rock to the Smithsonian for
> enough to purchase a small farm and a used car."
> 
> Although at that time, people failed to pay any attention to him
> having found it in a dirt road. If this dirt road was a county road,
> it seems like it really belonged to the county government. If it
> was a private dirt raod, it would belong the landowner, whose
> raod the land was on. It seemed like in this case, McKinney got
> away with "finders keepers".
> 
> I have always wondered about the case of a meteorite hitting a
> house or landed on a property, for which the "owner" was still
> paying off his or her mortgage. In such a case, would the mortgage
> company have partial claim to the ownership of the meteorite and
> debris from the impact? Would it have a say in how the meteorite
> was either sold or donated and a share of the profit from any
> sale of it?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Paul H.
> 
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