[meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:57:45 -0800
Message-ID: <CABEOBjJ+UgGBgsE=hVCj6QWGAGeRyPAVDBtamP-N42mrb9tH-A_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
My initial estimate was off -- apparently 2 kilograms I thought came
'from Morocco' came from another dealer and was counted twice. I
assumed more was found *because* that amount came out, but it doesn't
look like that happened.
My new estimate is 6 kilograms, 7 tops.
Jason


On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:04 PM, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:
> Hi my friend MikeG and happy New Year!
>
> but ... I sure hope no one takes any investment advice from you!
>
> The quality of the meteorites has less impact on the value than the supply
> and demand situation. ?NWA 482 is expensive because it was doled it out,
> like Haag with Esquel and any others of a number of highly profitable
> monopolized falls. ?This one is clearly not price controllable, it is
> well-distributed whether desireable or not. ?The initial sales were already
> made at very low price and those are the guys that are sitting on top of the
> profit, but that is long gone.
>
> The posts are divided into two groups: the haves and the have-nots. ?The
> haves want to drive up the price to lock in a profit (and if they bought in
> at an in-between price, have got to be sweating bullets with the increase in
> material mentioned), so every time they open their mouthes it will be as a
> strategy to claw up the price in a clueless market so far. ?The name of the
> game for our high octane meteorite gambling contingent is to buy lower than
> the other guy, that's all there is to be done.
>
> And the have nots, some are pissed they missed out and either have sour
> grapes, or others who couldn't give a hoot, or ar just happy they don't have
> to deal with all this gambling crap this time around. ?And their posts will
> tend to reflect that.
>
> If no one buys more now, in a few weeks the price will crash whether you are
> a have or a have not. ?Doesn't matter what the material is unless it has a
> customer base. ?The people that will set the price are not the ones that
> have bought, and not the ones that will wait till the party is over. ?They
> are the ones right now that will pony up hundreds of thousands of dollars to
> tide the sources appetites over so they hold out until the Sun rises and
> everyone has to go back to work. ?If that money doesn't show up soon ...
>
> As for science, science doesn't eat meteorites. ?With 20 grams most
> everything could be figured out except variations among sampling points.
> ?Either way, just because the scientists are salivating like us doesn't mean
> all that much more science will be done, and certainly nothing that 100
> grams couldn't handle. ?I mean - what are the hypotheses you expect this
> rock will answer? ?Not saying there isn't interesting research to be done,
> but it's not for every Tom Dick and Nancy with a lab coat to do. ?Two top
> groups will handily characterize it, and they probably have enough material
> on the way already.
>
> Next time you think a fresh meteorite will demand lots of money just look at
> Allende. ?The best meteorite of all (and more interesting than another
> Shergottite) and for years priced below lots of rap including common H's and
> L's.
>
> If there are 10 kilograms, at "only" $100/g, that's $1,000,000.00. ?Then, if
> it gets retailed at $300/g that's $3,000,000 of capitalization. ?Are you one
> of the 10 people ready to plow $100,000 into this? ?Or do you think that the
> sale of a micro or oooh, a ?one gram specimen for a zillion dollars a gram
> means anything at all except marketing posture (Hey look ten kg is worth a
> zillion becasue I sold ten milligrams for X)? ?Because markets have this way
> of getting out of control very quickly, and if the monopoly wasn't already
> established, the cat can never be shoe-horned back into the bag. ?Just go
> buy some Chergach, Bassi or Dreyga if you don't want to deal with this one.
> ?Probably a better investment anyway. ?Too much speculation going on with
> the Martian at the moment to be anything other than a gamble. ?Nothing will
> be clear on this until the end of Tucson.
>
> Best wishes
> Doug
> (a have-not)
>
> Don't worry about that, there's a sucker born every minute.
> (Chicago gambling hall, Michael McDonald, 1867)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:46 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN
>
>
> Hi Adam and List,
>
> It's the most important fall of 2011 and of the past 50 years. ?The
> inner cores of these fresh specimens will provide pristine
> uncontaminated material for science. ?This is the freshest Martian and
> planetary there is. ?I imagine demand will be quite high, beyond the
> usual frenzy we see at the beginning of all new falls. ?This meteorite
> will surely end up in several journals and that will create an ongoing
> demand as new research yields tantalizing clues of the solar system's
> past.
>
> This goes far beyond any ordinary chondrite fall and will have more
> interest than other Martian material that comes from large paired
> finds. ?Given the planetary status, the freshness, the fact it is
> unpaired, and a modest TKW, this new Martian will probably settle down
> on the higher end of Martian collector meteorites. ?If nothing else,
> it will compete very favorably against other Martians, much like how
> NWA 482 historically fetches higher prices than your "average"
> lunaite.
>
> Best regards and Happy New Year!
>
> MikeG
>
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>
> On 12/31/11, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you believe there is only 6 kilos lying around then perhaps you
>
> should
>>
>> wait and see how much there really is. ?Jason just posted that he can
>> account for between 10-11 kilos which agrees with what I have heard
>
> so far.
>>
>> I want to know how much there is before acquiring a big chunk for
>
> myself. ?I
>>
>> am excited about this new Martian fall and wonder why there is not
>
> much talk
>>
>> about it like previous ordinary chondrite falls.
>>
>> Perhaps, everybody could post what they have like has been done for
>
> previous
>>
>> falls and we can determine if we have a record setter on our hands.
>>
>> Happy Collecting,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Like I sadi, I wil lwaitt see how much there really is before
>>
>>
>> Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN
>>
>> Show me these 11 kg....
>> I believe what I see and i know of around 6kg.
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, the weight popped from just 6 kilos a week ago and is now well
>
> over
>>>
>>> 11kilos this week and still climbing. ?I am hoping for a new world
>
> record
>>>
>>> so there will be plenty of nice large pieces for collection and study
>>> purposes. ?Wouldn't that be something? ?It would be nice if more
>
> images
>>>
>>> were posted with accurate weights. ?It is a sham that both Shergotty
>
> and
>>>
>>> Zagami have rounded off weights. ?Can't somebody afford an accurate
>
> scale
>>>
>>> instead of just guessing?
>>>
>>> Happy New Year,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: rachid chaoui <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com>
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:07 AM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN
>>>
>>> Hello all
>>> ?all What is exchanged about the TKW of TATA in met list ?just
>
> rumors
>>>
>>> ,TATA will not comes to Zagami (18kg) i assume that the TKW will be
>>> betwen 9-10kg, ?the days come and we'll have the truth
>>> best greetings
>>> --
>>> Rachid Chaoui
>>> IMCA # 4157
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