[meteorite-list] Rafael Rant

From: Michael Gilmer <*meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com*> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:34:32 -0400 Message-ID: <BANLkTimwQ3_81a9QR8=Oi9z5B=R5etdOfg_at_mail.gmail.com> · meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com

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On 6/25/11, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael and Rafael
>
> "3) the grammar was so poor it made the message impossible to discern"
>
> Michael, please give Rafael a break and be more welcoming, it is
> obvious from his thoughts that he is a highly educated person but does
> not have the benefit of English as his first language. To attack that
> in such a case is a blow below the belt. Today is a good day for me and
> I tried to follow a few posts for the first time in basically a year
> and a half on the list and I appreciate that you always provide
> delicious fodder. Interestingly I had no problem understanding my
> Rafael's post, as wrong as I might be in interpretation.
>
> First, I think he directed only the very the very first thought at you
> for your own insightful, never less rant (see P.S.), which was scarier
> by far (but which we have to know and love you and do since we are
> personally acquainted) about the crisis statement of the state of
> ignorance in the USA - how the average person in the USA is a fool and
> three paragraphs to support that complete with statistics.
>
> Now if Rafael just commented to you to hold up a mirror on yourself
> first, it might not have been the most courteous answer, but I'm
> betting that the English nuances in your Moon Dust titled post (which
> was quite far from Moon dust as dust can be) could sound really
> aggressive to non-native speakers and provoke such a response within
> other cultures where more respect is afforded as the norm although
> everyone knows it is protocol/lipservice in some instances.
>
> The rest of his post, I think, was a different subject within the
> thread and very pertinent, and I think you took offense at something
> not even directed anywhere near you, it was likely directed to Michael
> Gilmer, the "parroting" stuff. The comment itself was a winner. I think
> his question was: What law is this that actually makes the Moon rocks
> illegal to own. Not having dedicated any thought to this in the past, I
> am ignorant on the subject, but respectfully give Rafael his space to
> ask - are we all parroting? This has nothing to do with the infamous
> theft case where the illegality was students stealing government
> property, this has to do only with that residue or gifts which were
> never stolen. Is it not the same basic question that we see over and
> over in meteoritics when ignorant lawmakers get involved? Is it not
> just because as an American taxpayer for many list members, there is a
> feeling of entitlement and ownership from which something it is being
> deduced outside a legal framework that any gift is illegal? That is
> actually a fascinating thought considering when the shoe is on the
> other foot there is never a shortage of questioners doing the due
> diligence, and rightfully so. Surely there is a Federal Statute someone
> can reference?
>
> It is a crazy world, but I enjoyed Rafael's "post" even though it only
> arrived to my inbox only via your posting of it to the list.
>
> Rafael, if that wasn't a private message, perhaps you are sending rich
> text to the meteorite list. It confuses the server running it, like a
> photon getting lost inside the Sun, when it comes out or gets otherwise
> consumed we never know. I can almost be 100% sure no one is editing
> anything you say here, as you suspected. On the contrary this place has
> a reputation of being a real mugrero, and that is why many love it and
> hate it at the same time. You must send plain text messages only to the
> list.
>
> ***
>
> So that will be 2 centavos for the unsolicited translation and no
> warranty is made on its quality...
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
> PS: Captain Blood's original post under the thread titled "Moon Dust":
>
> Michael B wrote:
>
> Oh, so many things are so greatly influenced by
> the ignorant masses of this country. "Jay walking"
> Is NOT faked - I know because these people show up
> In my classes! Newsweek does a yearly "man on the
> Street" 10 question test in 15 major cities. The AVERAGE
> Score is 4 out of 10. The questions?... Which country is
> Closer to the United States: France or Canada? Which
> Came first, the Civil War or World War II? (Really,
> ALL the questions are that simple... 4 out of 10!
>
> No one seems to get that our educational
> System is going down the tubes as a result of nit wit,
> Politically correct, see the student as a customer first
> Attitudes coupled with a false sense of entitlement
> And the taboo prevalent throughout the country
> against flunking non-achievers.
>
> Harvard now gives ALL "A"s to all students in
> All classes. (Parents aren't paying $40,000 per year
> For their kids to get "B"s - there was a segment on
> "60 Minutes" about this last year).
>
> These people don't just decide elections.... They
> Are running a lot of things. The lower echelon of them
> Are the face to face people you deal with in most stores.
>
> It is terrifying! They are EVERYWHERE!
>
> Let's hide!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: Rafael Navarro <rafael.navarro7 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 3:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rafael Rant
>
>
> Hi Rafael,
> It would be far easier to respond if I had any idea what you
> Were talking about.
> Since you:
> 1) did NOT include the text to which you seam to be referring...
> 2) left the subject box "moon dust" (?)
> 3) the grammar was so poor it made the message impossible to discern
> All combine to make it pretty much beyond reasoning to try to infer
> what it was you intended to say. HOWEVER, I did pick up some key
> Phrases, such as "ignorance," "repeat like a parrot," some biblical
> reference, "ignorance is bold," and much ranting about the scarcity
> lunar
> meteorite finds... All of which lead me to guess you are one of those
> people
> who have decided they have found a lunar meteorite (sometimes a half
> dozen of them - sometimes in their own yard). But I could be wrong, as
> your post was, for the most part, incoherent due to 1, 2 & 3 above.
> Whatever it was about, it doesn't belong on the list. If you have an
> Issue with me, post me directly. Please try to use English grammar
> sufficient to be understood, and I will write you back.
> But not on the list.
> Michael
>
>
>
> On 6/25/11 11:06 AM, "Rafael Navarro" <rafael.navarro7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well ,Michael Blood you can not talk about the speck in your
> brother's eye,
>> when you do not see the beam in yours, (the eyes not see to inward).
>> I had the suspicion that NASA gave lunar rock samples (Apollo 11)
> without
>> having studied, hize a research about it and wanted to share my
> findings
>> with members of Met-list, but the editors of the list, censored my
> posts
>> by be suspect and out of place.
>> *Definitely, the ignorance is bold.*
>> I ask to Michael Gilbert (Galactic Stone), can you tell me exactly
> *(Date)*
>> *which* law prohibits individuals to have samples of lunar rocks
> brought by
>> NASA.
>> Or you only repeat those words because you've heard to someone say it?
>> Also, you believe that among all the samples collected on the moon
> only
>> arrived two microscopic meteorites?
>> You believe everything what others say?
>> You know something about it, or also repeat this like a parrot ?
>> *Yes in truth, It is terrifying! They are EVERYWHERE!*
>> *
>> *
>> Rafael Navarro
>>
>> *PD : *And do not worry about answering;I know that you will do not.
>> I suspect that you are smart enough not to continue a discussion that
> you
>> are not sure of winning.
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *
>
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