[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:01:39 -0400
...and, Hi Mike too, nice to hear from you - not exactly back, just
blowing a bit of steam from my pressure cooker and showing my e-face;
$50 on eBay will get you an authentic Buran brick (just search for tile
buran), like this:
Very cool - Well worth it if you like space nostalgia
From: John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net>
To: 'Michael Gilmer' <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; 'MexicoDoug'
<mexicodoug at aim.com>
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 11:26 am
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
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Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:20 AM
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Hi Doug and List,
Doug - it is great to see you posting again. I have missed your
They are selling heat tiles from the shuttles at KSC? I didn't know
that, and I want one!
I've been meaning to acquire some more space-related items - aerogel,
heat shield tiles, etc.
Do they have a website where I can order the tiles, or do I need to
visit the gift shop in person?
PS - is there somewhere online to buy the Russian tiles also?
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- On 6/25/11, MexicoDoug <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote: > JG wrote to MG: > "What law are you talking about?" > > Ditto! A fact-supported discussion would be so much nicer. > > It is my understanding that when Apollo lost its funding, oodles of > relics entered the private domain and there wasn't much ado about it - > rather, a tacit acceptance and a party atmosphere pervaded in the wake > of Moonphoria and non had any scientific value at the time. Where are > the retroactive vigorous sting operations hunting down these national > treasures? I am sure the same "laws", whatever they might be, cover > them. > > Post-facto contrived rules are a violation which seems to date to the > Magna Carta and any remotely civilized society. All material loaned or > provided in exchange for analyses to be done which is covered by > modern agreements (as Jeff alludes to) has a clear paper trail, but > there are the nonsensical cases like tape on the Hasselblad magazines > demonstrate how ludicrous things can become for reasons foreign to > science and domestic to collectors willingness to pay. I take my place > behind the line of those who have already pointed this out. > > Moon specimens that were incidental and innocuous gifts of > questionable or no value at the time seem to have taken a special > place. But, there are other exceptions as well. As I peruse the aisles > of the gift shop at KSC I am tempted to buy a Space Shuttle heat tile. > Yet NASA has allegedly gone on record saying that it will not dispose > of them by sale to the public (reason: we could be liable for > unintended harm they might cause). Rumor has it that the Soviet Buran > tiles are more interesting to collect and Russia has no such hang ups > over them, so I'll hold out for one of them. If I had an American one > it would not be satisfying in present company. I couldn't freely share > it with my international friends without risking being thrown in jail > for providing sensitive military secrets to other nations... at least > that is the rumor on how it was for a long time ... > > There is a clear demonstration of double standard and a willingness to > invent retroactive laws, which should be prohibited constitutionally, > but the American system separates the judicial and that makes > legislation from the bench a convenient option in cases like this. How > frustrating for Mr. Rosen, the guy who bought the gifted moon rock > from a Honduran official for a large sum of money. The government > simply snatched it from him and it was not because the Hondurans filed > a claim. If he had been compensated for his recovery of the specimen > it would be different in my view. But the way it went down, there is > reason to be wary of the court's freeloading and arbitrary mindset in > these cases. It is quite removed from science and boils down to > politics and setting cruel and unusual precedents at the expense of > citizens for prior shoddy control practices. Mr. Rosen, the owner at > the time of the Moon rock was never charged with any criminal activity > - they just took the rock plaque and left him to brood. If they could > have charged him I sort of think they would have given the zest to > make examples out of people. But they got what they wanted - a > precedent of no-ownership when before there was none to my knowledge. > > I would point out that this nonsensical legal gymnastic that seems to > have developed ought to be applied to each and every scientist in the > United States that is on any payroll or grant for a project who > supposedly buys specimens in his free time. How different is such > piggybacking from the microgram residues on a piece of tape out of a > camera? How did Dr. King amass that huge personal collection on many > field trips to places such as, aw, forget it. Not worth going into, it > would be more counterproductive than good to go there. > > Best wishes > Doug > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Grossman <jngrossman at gmail.com> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:34 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust > > > What law are you talking about? > > On 6/25/2011 7:55 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: >> Hi Jeff and List, >> >> What strikes me here is that NASA has 842 pounds of lunar material > and >> they are apparently bent out shape over a few milligrams of dust >> clinging to a piece of scotch tape. It's absolutely silly and it >> speaks of skewed priorities. >> >> It was mentioned to me in private email by a respected list member >> that the NASA samples in question were not addressed by the law until >> 1972. If that is true, then it seems to me that any sample removed >> legally prior to that date would be "grand-fathered in" as legal. >> >> A relevant example would be trinitite. Trinitite removed before the >> law specifically addressed it is legal. However, going to the site >> now and removing trinitite is illegal. Another example would be >> Canyon Diablo iron meteorites - those CD meteorites removed before > the >> "prohibition" are legal. Those removed today are illegal because one >> must trespass to get them. The devil is in the details - how does one >> distinguish a legal Diablo meteorite from an illegal one? And how >> would one determine a legal piece of dusty tape from an illegal one? >> >> ATTENTION GOVERNMENT - STOP PISSING AWAY OUR TAX MONEY CHASING AFTER >> DUSTY TAPE! Instead, here are some suggestions for using our tax >> money - build homes for the homeless, feed the hungry, offer medical >> care to the sick, create jobs for the unemployed, fund the sciences, >> or any number of things that are more important than dusty tape. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> > > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listReceived on Sun 26 Jun 2011 12:01:39 PM PDT