[meteorite-list] OT: Astronaut Ed Mitchell surrenders DAC Camera

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:35:46 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <8CE6844A018762B-AA0-DC7AE_at_webmail-m039.sysops.aol.com>

Shame, Shame, Shame. Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave,
being a champion of alloidal ownership of (real) property. The
Bavarians had it right when they established (1813) "_Nullum crimen,
nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali_" and luckily internationally
this is the precedent applied. So Mitchell should have given it away
to a foreign collector and he would have been in the clear.

Besides the obvious connection to space traveling merchandise, this is
of concern to all US collectors for understanding what the government
can and can't regulate "ex-post facto".

Administrative Agencies such as NASA have the ability to distort
retroactively the interpretation of the law, such as the present case
with abandoned property - the camera - (vs. eminent domain for real
property); The US Supreme Court, in setting a landmark precedent ruled
in 1928:

"...The power to require readjustments for the past is drastic. [It may
reasonably exist in cases where the particular rate has been approved
by the Commission after full hearing;] it ought not to be extended so
as to permit unreasonably harsh action without very plain words...."

BRIMSTONE R. & CANAL CO. v. UNITED STATES et. al., 276 US 104 (1928);
276 US 104
No. 240 Argued Oct. 10, 11, 1927; Decided Feb. 20, 1928.

Kindest wishes
Doug




-----Original Message-----
From: David R Childs <david.childs7 at btinternet.com>
To: Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com>
Cc: Meteorite-list <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Astronaut Ed Mitchell surrenders DAC
Camera


Shame on Nasa. To do this to a great man is a travesty.
I have left my comment on YouTube.

David R Childs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Schoner" <schoner at mybluelight.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:22 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Astronaut Ed Mitchell surrenders DAC
Camera


>
>
> I know that this is off topic, but not really considering all the
valuable
> data
> that those brave Apollo Astronauts brought back for science.
>
> And even today the rocks are being studied and the radionuclide's
detected
> tell us the age and also the resources that we might obtain should
the
> United States ever return and complete what we should have done
decades
> ago. And in a way it does relate to our quest of and classification
of
> lunar meteorites, without that data that they brought back,
comparisons
> and identifications of lunar meteorites would be harder than they are
now.
>
> The issue that bothers me is the fact that Dr. Ed Mitchell, sixth man
to
> set foot on the Moon was sued by the United States Goverment for
having
> and wanting to sell a DAC Camera that would otherwise have been
destroyed
> on the Moon.
>
> All Apollo Lunar Astronauts were given the incentive to retain items
from
> the LM if they met weight requirements as per the Mission Commander's
> approval at the time of the mission.
>
> So for four decades he held on to this camera... Till he decided to
> auction it in his now 80 years of life.
>
> NASA and our Government then sued him for possession. And under that
> duress he
> surrendered the camera.
>
> This is a travesty, done to a great man, recipient of the Medal of
> Freedom, And
> the lawsuit is a disgrace,,, Shame on NASA and our Government for
treating
> him so.
>
> So with that in mind I posted a video on Youtube with a call for
public
> action to rectify this disgrace.
>
> First see this one as background:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bttkWVERGVs
>
> Then my video with a call for action:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3DtuH_-5s
>
> Legal actions by our Government for seizure of such artifacts, due to
> their loss of records affects all that have Apollo memorabilia.
>
> And of the over 1000 members of this list there may be some that have
such
> artifacts.
>
> I have two Apollo artifacts that have no record of transfer. One was
> given to me by a personal friend Eugene Shoemaker, and the other I
won in
> an Ebay auction. Most true Apollo Mission artifacts that are being
> bought,sold and auctioned are in the same category, no "records of
> transfer."
>
> It is events like this lawsuit against Ed Mitchell that really upsets
my
> trust in our Government, which seems to be out of control... As if
there
> are things more important than improving our economy and doing some
good
> for all.
>
> Steve
>
> P.S. Hope I have not "taxed" anyone with my long OT post.
>
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