[meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -OK, I relent Hammerstone?

From: Michael Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:55:22 -0800
Message-ID: <CAF1928A.200E0%mlblood_at_cox.net>

On 11/22/11 3:58 PM, "Met. Mexico Doug" <mexicodoug at aim.com> wrote:

> "Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
> stone"
>
> By Michael's definition of this concept of "hammer", why would you
> require the road to be paved? Nothing magic about asphalt. Macadam,
> gravel, graded dirt; etc. they all work. And for that matter, anything
> that lands on improved land, so every corn and buckwheat patch is a
> hammer (or if it goes under, a plow).
>
> Now, here's another silly question about a concept when over-used:
>
> Does a meteorite have to be a witnessed fall to be a hammer? By
> witnessed, I don't mean the morning-after kind. Suppose this guy finds
> a meteor(oid?) snagged in the top of this half kilometer tower he free
> climbs?:
>
> electrifying scientific video:
> http://io9.com/5639113/
>
> Is it a meteoroid/ite hammer?
>
> Now back to maximum silliness; Michael calls the Pena Blanca spgs a
> hammer, well then, so is Lake Okeechobee's hammerstones , which were
> dragged up relatively fresh considering from a lake, though never seen
> falling in. The "lake is 100% dammed up by the Great Wall of Florida
> (9 meters high and over 225 kilometers in length plus a network of
> draining canals and natural waterways that have been rerouted) would
> just be an amorphorous natural swamp. So man's controlling finger is
> evident and it's not even a witnessed fall! - a first of its kind for a
> hammer, sort of.
>
> Now, if what hits water isn't a hammer, I get first dibs on naming it
> (beat ya Michael!!!). They are TORPEDOS. Before you scoff at the
> concept, just remember over 70% of the meteorites landing errrr.....
> splashing down ... on earth are TORPEDOS!
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com>
> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
>
>
> Would a meteorite that landed on a paved road be considered a hammer
> stone? Paved roads are 100% man-made, yet?I know of several falls
> that have been recovered from roads or parking lots and are not
> referred to as hammer.
>
> Michael in so. Cal.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Craig Moody
> <meteoritesnorth at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Anne, Michael and List.
>>
>> I would have to agree with Anne, in that if it struck the water, and
> sank to
> the bottom, then it would not be considered a hammer, however, I assume
> that if
> it hit the side of the pool and left physical evidence of that fact,
> then it
> would be a hammer. ?This also leads me to ask...does a meteorite have
> to damage
> something for it to be a hammer? ?What if they were pea sized
> individuals
> (Holbrook) that hit, but left no damage. ?Would they be considered
> hammer
> stones?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Craig Moody
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> From: Impactika at aol.com
>>> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:01:57 -0500
>>> To: mlblood at cox.net; joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring -Hammerstone?
>>>
>>> I am sorry Michael,
>>>
>>> But how could Pena Blanca be called a hammer??????
>>> It struck WATER!!
>>>
>>> Anne M. Black
>>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
>>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/22/2011 12:52:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
>>> mlblood at cox.net writes:
>>> Hi Phil & All,
>>>
>>> Phil's "Subject" box describes Blanca Spring as a "Near-Hammer,"
>>> But I had always heard it fell in a small pond people used as a
> swimming
>>> Hole, NOT in a man-made pool resulting from a dam for the express
>>> Purpose of creating such a swimming pool.
>>>
>>> I have swum in such a pool many times at the base of Mt. Lemon
>>> on property bordering the Sugaro National Forest Park (Not certain
> of
>>> the exact name of that park) in the Tucson area. My best friend
> lived
>>> On the property and there was clearly a constructed dam to hold
> water
>>> For swimming, but low enough to allow the water to continue to flow
>>> Beyond that by spilling over the dam during the monsoon season.
>>>
>>> To my way of thinking a constructed swimming pool is a constructed
>>> swimming pool regardless of the complexity of construction... A
> swimming
>>> pool (that results from construction) is quite different than
> earlier
>>> reports I had heard of merely a naturally occurring "swimming hole"
>>> where a pond lay on someone's property. Therefore, Pena Blanc
> Spring IS
>>> a hammer, having struck a man-made object (a man made swimming
> pool).
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/21/11 1:22 PM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum"
> <joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple
> death
>>>> hammerstone incident:
>>>>
>>> http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Whitmer
>>>
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