[meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....

From: Richard Montgomery <rickmont_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:55:56 -0800
Message-ID: <9547A51C6CC54765A938539834334E21_at_bosoheadPC>

Seeing as this is Valentine's Day, and the wife continually 'threw it out
into the trash'....perhaps the original owner thought he was giving a
galactic gift and she felt scorned by simply making a statement....

Just a thought, comical and real at the same time.

Richard Montgomery




----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Ensor" <graham.ensor at gmail.com>
To: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE - PECULIAR METEORITE DISCOVERY....


Hi,

I can't really see what the problem is as it is obviously a purchased
or at least sawn end cut that has been left to rust...I can't see that
it really matters where it was found....even if the story is
bogus....as such I would have thought that it is very likely to match
an existing meteorite and that will then dictate it's value....if it
cannot be matched then that is when it gets difficult. Tracing it's
history or story of it's terrestrial journey could be interesting.

Graham

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>
> Mike...
>
> ---This is a meteorite
> ---No one has attempted to pass it off as a new find
> ---As conveyed in my original post, the finder agreed to submit a piece of
> testing
> ---I'm not as certain as you this will solve the issues presented---but
> it's a start
>
> Best /d
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael and List,
>>
>> My thoughts exactly. It's either a strange meteorwrong, or it's a
>> transported specimen being passed off as a new find. If the owner
>> would submit a small piece for testing, that would solve the issue
>> once and for all.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
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>> On 2/14/12, Michael Mulgrew <mikestang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What type of "backyard" equipment does this couple have that could
>>> produce such a perfect cut on an iron meteorite? Looks to me like a
>>> previously purchased iron left out to rust a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, everyone, for the initial wave of responses both on and off
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> I've clarified the following two points raised below and have taken a
>>>> path
>>>> similar to what Doug mentioned (also below).
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully our learning what meteorite this is will prove helpful.
>>>> Please
>>>> circulate as you deem appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/darrylpitt/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best/ d
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:06 AM, John higgins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandy Hook is a national Park, regular civilians don't live there.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are no 75ft escarpments in Sandy Hook. Maybe if the guy said he was
>>>>> from
>>>>> Atlantic Highlands, that would make more sense..... This story is full
>>>>> of holes, Daryl please be careful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards from New Jersey,
>>>>> John Higgins
>>>>> IMCA # 9822
>>>>> www.outerspacerocks.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He is from Highlands, NJ near Sandy Hook. I remembered the Sandy Hook
>>>> reference and provided it as a general location in Northeastern, N.J. I
>>>> didn't know that Sandy Hook was not also a town.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Pete Pete wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Mike, Daryl!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to imagine a scenario of a house on a ravine, a guy finding
>>>>> a
>>>>> rusty lump, and the wife persistently tries to throw the lump out in
>>>>> the
>>>>> garbage(?!) instead of simply heaving it over the fence?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't track. Sounds like a scripted story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like we say at work - "The name's Tucker, not sucker!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No fence. (I asked as I was also bewildered). Reportedly found at the
>>>> edge of an escarpment. The wife seems honest and was the one doing the
>>>> sleuthing here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late
>>>>> today in
>>>>> the hope I could verify what he was told could be a meteorite---and it
>>>>> is."
>>>>>
>>>>> "are honest....but I just don't get it."
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Darryl,
>>>>>
>>>>> Either you run with it or you give it back. But posting the pictures
>>>>> of
>>>>> the etch pattern should be pretty good evidence of some of the larger
>>>>> transported falls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of explanations could account for the meteorite (the prior owner
>>>>> died and the rock stayed on the porch --- it's happened before
>>>>> ...etc.),
>>>>> but if we listen to Jefferson, while it would be easier to believe
>>>>> they
>>>>> are lying, the facts are what must be established. What do you have to
>>>>> lose? If you don't want to risk time and money, just see if they'll
>>>>> fax
>>>>> a release giving you permission to have it analyzed and just for your
>>>>> own protection slip in that they represent in good faith that the
>>>>> meteorite is their property and presented to you as an unknown for
>>>>> verification (which you mention is what gives them the right to have
>>>>> it
>>>>> analyzed since meteorites can be valuble)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck, if it's a scam, bring it on. Let's see those pix...After
>>>>> all, no obvious match on the etch is great news no matter how you
>>>>> *slice* it. If the etch matches a large widely distributed fall, but
>>>>> they insisted and you wanted out,you could always offer to take a nice
>>>>> slice to pay your expenses in case it turns out to be common. Does
>>>>> that
>>>>> make sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindest wishes
>>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Darryl Pitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I need your help; there is a problem here---I'm just not certain as to
>>>>> its nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> A seemingly honest fellow from Sandy Hook, NJ came to my office late
>>>>> today in the hope I could verify what he was told could be a
>>>>> meteorite---and it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> This fellow said that just after he moved in a year ago, he found it
>>>>> on
>>>>> the embankment of his backyard just beyond which is a 75 foot
>>>>> escarpment. The wife said she tried to throw the rusty thing out a
>>>>> couple of times and both times he rescued it from the garbage. It is a
>>>>> medium octahedrite which weighs 4.236 kg. How do I know it's a medium
>>>>> octahedrite? I could make out a feint pattern underneath a veneer of
>>>>> rust on the cut face. Yes, roughly speaking, this fellow found a cut
>>>>> and prepared meteorite in his backyard.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fellow left the specimen in my possession and agreed to allow me
>>>>> to
>>>>> have a sample removed and forwarded for analysis. I advised him there
>>>>> could be a problem here that could be readily determined---and he
>>>>> didn't
>>>>> seem fazed. While I've been accused of being naive, I nonetheless
>>>>> genuinely believe he and his wife are honest....but I just don't get
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts here? Northeastern New Jersey. End piece. Medium
>>>>> octahedrite. 4.2 kg.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll get a pic posted tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> All best and thanks / d,
>>>>
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