[meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit

From: Anne Black <impactika_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <8CF303285FEA27C-D84-97AAD_at_webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>

Hello Jason, Greg, and all,

2 very important facts to remember at all times:

- IMCA Board Members are not required to sit in front of their
computers 24/7, just in case someone has a question or a problem. We
are allowed to have a life.

- Anything the IMCA Board decides to say or do will be said or done in
PRIVATE. And only in Private.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
Vice-President of IMCA
www.IMCA.cc


-----Original Message-----
From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit


Ditto Michael. Your personal beef with me and the IMCA for booting
you is sad, but you screwed up in a large way, multiple times. Way to
brush off the topic of unreturned museum donations yet again.

Almahata Sitta was issued an export permit by the University of
Khartoum. Whether that is legal in the eyes of the government there
is open to debate. Either way, the pot's calling the kettle black.

These meteorites were not stolen. As you say, case closed.

Jason

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Greg Catterton
<star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am not attacking you by any means. Not like your blacklist website
you have.
I am simply pointing out the IMCA has FAILED to police its own members
and allow
them to sell illegal meteorites! I got my Almahatta Sitta from Anne
Black, IMCA
VP... Talk to her about the legal issues of it as she sold it to me.
> My NWAs are not from Algeria FYI... Please.... lets name some names
and make
it clear that there is ALOT of illegal meteorites being sold by IMCA
members and
the group has failed to clean house for the violations of the code of
ethics
they swear by so much!
>
> Again, this is not about me, this is about YOU and other IMCA members
breaking
the IMCAs rules and ethics codes and the lack of enforcement the IMCA
is
showing. Lets be honest, you crucify me for a failed museum I tried to
open
while YOU ARE SELLING STOLEN METEORITES!!!!!!
>
>
>
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
> To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
>
> Greg,
> Like your NWA's (maybe from Algeria), Camel Donga (no export permit)
> and Almahata Sitta (possibly legal at best) on ebay -- to say nothing
> of everyone's Sulagiri and most of the Canyon Diablo on the market
> today? How about those Sikhote's you're offering? Exported before
> Russia cracked down on exports, I take it? Please.
>
> I can name several people who donated to your museum who you still
> haven't refunded.
>
> There's a difference between cheating people and offering a new
> meteorite for sale, but I wouldn't expect you to see the difference.
>
> Keep attacking me, and me alone. We all know what's going on here.
>
> Jason
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Greg Catterton
> <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 1. You know more then well I was told it was Mifflin. I FULLY
REFUNDED
EVERYONE. Case closed. YOU can "shove off" I had several still not
return
material to me even though they were refunded..., including Mike
Cottingham, and
John Helm.
>>
>> 2. I spent several thousand of my money to try to open the museum.
It failed.
What can I say? I tried... Again, you can "shove off"
>> 3. I have returned EVERYTHING donated minus one person who I have
talked to
about it. YOU did nothing yet run your mouth... again, "shove off...
>>
>> 4. WHAT I DID/DO DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT YOU SELLING ILLEGALLY
EXPORTED
MATERIAL AND KNOW AS MUCH!!! I didnt know about the mifflin, you know
the laws
about this, and choose to ignore it!
>>
>> your comments are pathetic. YOU are breaking international laws, and
are an
IMCA member to boot... Where is the IMCA right now when you are selling
ILLEGALLY EXPORTED METEORITES? What are they going to do with you
breaking
numerous IMCA rules? ANYONE from the IMCA care to comment or will they
remain
quite as that usually do when one of the good ol boys break the rules?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Catterton
>> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jason utas <jasonutas at gmail.com>
>> To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit
>>
>> Hello Greg,
>> The gall you must have to pass on thousands of dollars of fake
>> material, take donations for a good cause, flake on the cause (but
>> keep many of the donations) and then rag on me for selling
*accurately
>> described material*...just shove off. You've done more harm to this
>> community on your own than most others have been able to manage in
the
>> past fifteen years.
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM,
>> <wanderingstar at wanderingstarmeteorites.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Its Commonly known meteorites from India are illegal without export
>>> permits, but yet Suligiri and now Katol is offered by many IMCA
members
>>> for sale. Guess the meteorite police, IMCA member and seller of this
>>> (Katol) Jason Utas needs to add himself to his blacklist for selling
>>> illegal meteorites! Question is, where is the IMCA to take action
>>> against jason for illegally exporting or receiving these for sale?
>>>
>>> Greg C,
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Katol India meteorite - Forbidden
Fruit
>>> From: Me Teor <m3t30r1t3man at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sat, July 14, 2012 11:39 am
>>> To: Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: Meteorite Central <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>> Dear Shawn
>>> You are absolutely correct. It is illegal to collect meteorites in
>>> India. And meteorites are government property. The authority for
this is
>>> the Geological Survey of India. And as far as I know, they never
trade
>>> or deal with any individuals or private institutions. There cannot
be
>>> any export papers as export is banned.
>>>
>>> Although I wonder how having a export paper or certificate helps ?
>>>
>>> If a specimen is up for sale, it is definitely out of the country
and
>>> has been exported.
>>>
>>> By the way does anyone have a analysis report on this new find ?
>>>
>>> M.E.
>>>
>>> On 14-Jul-2012, at 3:32 AM, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>
>>>>> From my understanding, meteorites that fell or are found after
1885 in
India would be forwarded to the Government Geological Museum which
would take
over possession of the meteorite? If so, how is Katol exempt from this,
or was
Katol sold by the Museum? For those who have gotten some of this
meteorite fall,
will their meteorites come with export papers like how Canadian falls
are
handled?
>>>>
>>>> Shawn Alan
>>>> IMCA 1633
>>>> eBay store
>>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?
>>>> http://www.meteoritefalls.com/
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