[meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)

From: Robert Verish <bolidechaser_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1367369417.29842.YahooMailClassic_at_web142503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Very good post, Michael.

And thanks for making my point - if Novato is already classified (L6 br), you would like to update your database and fill out labels with an officially approved name. How long of a delay and why is there a delay?

-- Bob V.
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com/msg108950.html


--- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved, not just Novato)
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 2:51 PM
>
> Hi List,
>
> I wasn't pointing fingers or trying to refer specifically to
> Novato.
> I may have come off that way, I am afraid.? I meant in
> general with
> all falls, and this recent mention of Novato jogged my
> memory about
> the recent spate of unapproved falls.? I had meant to
> post to the List
> a couple of weeks ago about this same issue, but I got
> side-tracked
> and forgot.? The Novato discussion reminded me.?
> I'll post something
> to the List to that effect.
>
> My main goal is the same as most - to see Novato
> classified.
> Regardless of who found what or who has what specimen, I'd
> just like
> to see it in the Met Bull and in MAPS journals.? That
> won't happen
> until the kink in the hose is worked out, so to speak.?
> As was pointed
> out - look how quickly Battle Mountain got
> approved.???Novato fell
> over a densely populated urban area, Battle Mountain fell
> over
> underpopulated BLM land.? Both are OC's.? Why so
> quick with one and
> not the other?? Same with that Alabama fall (Addison?)
> - another
> stoppage in the pipeline somewhere.
>
> We need to encourage people to come forward and get finds
> classified,
> and not make it more difficult.? If we publicly nitpick
> and clobber
> people for not handling the classification properly, then it
> will make
> others reluctant to come forward.? We should be
> positive and say -
> look, who cares why it took so long for this particular
> fall, let's
> just be happy it is getting done now.? Everybody still
> wins.
>
> Some of us collectors are the nitpickers.? I want
> something official
> to put on my labels for my falls collection.? I have no
> dog in this
> fight other than science.
>
> Best regards and happy huntings for all,
>
> MikeG
>
>
>
>
> > --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update
> >> To: "Michael Farmer" <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
> >> Cc: "Alan Rubin" <aerubin at ucla.edu>,
> "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral"
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>,
> "Matson, Robert D."
> >> <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>,
> "Robert Verish" <bolidechaser at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
> >>
> >> Agreed, somebody needs to cough up a
> >> piece to consolidate the type
> >> specimen and satisfy the requirements for
> publication in the
> >> Met Bulletin.? That is how it should be.?
> Until such a
> >> specimen is analyzed, submitted, and approved,
> >> it is not a meteorite, it is a rock
> >> that is suspected to be a meteorite.? Giving
> it any
> >> unofficial name
> >> does not make it a meteorite, unless that name is
> approved
> >> by NonCom.
> >>
> >> Everybody wins when the specimen is classified and
> approved
> >> via an
> >> open, transparent, and "official" manner.
> >>
> >> There are too many falls that are not approved
> yet.
> >> Going back to the
> >> year 2000, there are seventeen (17) falls that are
> not
> >> officially
> >> approved yet.? They come from all corners of
> the world
> >> and some are
> >> very well documented, but have not been approved
> for various
> >> reasons.
> >> For example, someone earlier mentioned that Canada
> does not
> >> drag it's
> >> feet on classifications and would simply buy the
> type
> >> specimen.? Well,
> >> there is the Montney fall from 2005 that is lost
> somewhere
> >> in the
> >> system.? Canada is usually pretty quick, but
> why hasn't
> >> Montney been
> >> approved?? Is there doubt about the fall in
> some way,
> >> or is it a
> >> problem similar to Novato where it is a bonafide
> fall but
> >> has not been
> >> approved for logistical reasons?
> >>
> >> Collectors and probably some scientists are eager
> for a few
> >> recent
> >> falls to become approved.? Until these
> meteorites are
> >> approved, they
> >> cannot be published in most peer-reviewed
> journals.
> >> And until they
> >> are approved, there will always be an element of
> reluctance
> >> on the
> >> behalf of some collectors.
> >>
> >> Zunhua?? No doubt there.? Penetrated a
> house and
> >> was documented
> >> thoroughly.? Why hasn't this one been
> classified
> >> yet?? What are the
> >> Chinese waiting on?? Nobody else outside China
> will
> >> submit it for
> >> classification because it is a scientific courtesy,
> so will
> >> it remain
> >> in limbo forever because .... ?
> >>
> >> Katol?? It's distinctive and on the market.
> >> Again, there is no doubt
> >> that it is a fall.? Let's hope GSI submits it
> so it can
> >> be published.
> >> Collectors want to know.? It may be a
> meteorite that is
> >> interesting to
> >> science as well.
> >>
> >> Draveil?? What's the hold up on this one?
> >>
> >> Oslo?
> >>
> >> The list -
> >>
> >> Jan 15, 2013 - "Planeta Rica" (unofficial)
> (ordinary
> >> chondrite?) : Colombia
> >> Feb 11, 2012 - "Huangzhong/Xining" (unofficial)
> (L6
> >> chondrite?) : China
> >> Mar 01, 2012 - "Oslo" (unofficial) (ordinary
> chondrite?) :
> >> Norway (Hammer)
> >> May 03, 2012 - "Diplo" (unofficial) (ordinary
> chondrite?) :
> >> Pakistan
> >> May 22, 2012 - "Katol" (unofficial) (achondrite) :
> India
> >> (Hammer)
> >> Jun 03, 2012 - "Comayagua" (unofficial) (ordinary
> chondrite)
> >> : Honduras (Hammer)
> >> Jul 08, 2012 - "Jalangi" (unofficial) (ordinary
> chondrite?)
> >> : India
> >> Oct 12, 2012 - "Beni Yacoub" (unofficial)
> (ordinary
> >> chondrite?) : Morocco
> >> Oct 17, 2012 - "Novato" (unofficial) (L6 chondrite)
> :
> >> California USA(Hammer)
> >> Oct 30, 2012 - "Addison" (unofficial) (ordinary
> chondrite?)
> >> : Alabama USA
> >> Dec 16, 2012 - "Algeria" (unofficial) (LL
> chondrite?) :
> >> Algeria
> >> Jul 11-12, 2011 - "Draveil/Essonne?" (unofficial)
> (H
> >> chondrite?) :
> >> France (Hammer)
> >> May 01, 2010 - "Breja/Taouz" (unofficial) (LL6
> chondrite?) :
> >> Morocco/Algeria
> >> Mar 01, 2009 - "Cartersville" (unofficial)
> (ordinary
> >> chondrite) :
> >> Georgia USA (Hammer)
> >> Apr 12, 2008 - "Zunhua" (unofficial) (L4
> chondrite?) : China
> >> (Hammer)
> >> Sep 07, 2007 - Guadalajara (L or LL3 chondrite?) :
> Mexico
> >> (Hammer)
> >> Jul 17, 2005 - "Montney" (H6 chondrite?) : Canada
> (Hammer)
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> MikeG
> >>
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