[meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)

From: bill kies <parkforestmet_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:02:49 -0600
Message-ID: <BAY173-W35B6FE8F02AFBB2208A56DA2200_at_phx.gbl>

Zelimir,

I understand. I just thought there might be some information contained in the article about Jean, since he was the nephew of Louis, that might be helpful.

Bill

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> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:00:49 +0100
> From: zelimir.gabelica at uha.fr
> To: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> You are giving here a wrong reference.
>
> We were speaking about LOUIS Poyet (1846-1913) the famous specialist
> in engravings who lived in Paris.
>
> See here:
>
> http://www.gonefishing.fr/article-le-graveur-du-dimanche-louis-poyet-48802161.html
>
> You refer to JEAN Poyet, a protographer who left thousands of true
> photographs taken between 1902 and 1956 in the Epernay area, whare he
> lived. Click on the first link (video) on your own link.
>
> Unless there is another Poyet in concern ?
>
> I also went through quite a number of Louis Poyet's engravings (Google
> etc) but could not spot anywhere a painting/engraving showing a
> meteorite fall in wheat field...
>
> The hunt continues....
>
> Zelimir
> --
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Universit? de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>
>
> bill kies <parkforestmet at hotmail.com> a ?crit :
>
> >
> > Maybe this one will work.
> >
> > http://memoirephotographiquechampenoise.org/fondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm----------------------------------------
> >
> >> From: parkforestmet at hotmail.com
> >> To: fuzzfoot at comcast.net
> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:46:12 -0600
> >> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >>
> >>
> >> His son was a photographer. Here's an interesting piece.
> >>
> >> http://131.253.14.66/proxy.ashx?h=I16l_o4Ri25lLYlb-Q009NPpP3R-7NiB&a=http%3A%2F%2Fmemoirephotographiquechampenoise.org%2Ffondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >> > From: fuzzfoot at comcast.net
> >> > To: zelimir.gabelica at uha.fr; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:28:07 -0800
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir!
> >> >
> >> > One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is
> >> > Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized
> >> > in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous
> >> > 19th c. French magazines, mostly "La Nature".
> >> >
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> >> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Prof.
> >> > Zelimir Gabelica Universit? de Haute Alsace ENSCMu,
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM
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> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >> >
> >> > Hi Mike, List,
> >> >
> >> > Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais
> >> fall report:
> >> >
> >> > ----------
> >> > "On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St
> >> > Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near
> >> > parallel 40? North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots
> >> > ("bangs") comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise
> >> (rumbling
> >> > ?) resembling a shooting.
> >> >
> >> > People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the
> >> > direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion
> >> > smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that
> >> day) the whole
> >> > skies.
> >> >
> >> > 2 farmers (Perrotin father & son) noticed an ignited object falling in the
> >> > South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could
> >> > notice the exact place where the object hit the ground.
> >> >
> >> > Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next
> >> day, a Mr.
> >> > Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense
> >> > stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on
> >> > the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. ....
> >> >
> >> > ....The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the
> >> neighboring villages
> >> > could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever
> >> > existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they
> >> were never
> >> > FOUND...) .............
> >> > -------------------------
> >> >
> >> > The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics,
> >> probably not
> >> > worth further translation.
> >> >
> >> > This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the
> >> > issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as
> >> > myself, would agree.
> >> >
> >> > Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was
> >> obviously
> >> > the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any
> >> wheat (or
> >> > alike) in the fields....
> >> >
> >> > Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be "a view of
> >> an artist",
> >> > possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?)
> >> >
> >> > More ideas ?
> >> >
> >> > Zelimir
> >> > --
> >> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> >> > Universit? de Haute Alsace
> >> > ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC,
> >> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> >> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.nele t> a ?crit :
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January!
> >> > The
> >> > > mystery continues.
> >> > >
> >> > > Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and
> >> > > Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's
> >> > > illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French):
> >> > >
> >> > > http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053&I=1022&M=tdm
> >> > >
> >> > > I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep
> >> > > looking...
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike Bandli
> >> > >
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> >> > > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf
> >> Of Bernd V.
> >> > > Pauli
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:26 PM
> >> > > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello List,
> >> > >
> >> > > I wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "St. Caprais-de-Quinsac...Gironde (France) Fell 1883, Jan 28, 14:45 hrs"
> >> > >
> >> > > Sounds good, looks good, ... but:
> >> > >
> >> > > Have a close look at the date of the fall: Jan 28 !!!
> >> > >
> >> > > Now, when you compare this with Mike B.'s remarks:
> >> > >
> >> > > "One will note that there are many farmers about and the horse
> >> is saddled
> >> > > with the hay carriage."
> >> > >
> >> > > The only conclusion we can thus draw is that the scene depicts an
> >> > > (imaginary?) event in late summer during the harvest season, probably
> >> > > August.
> >> > >
> >> > > Another possibility might be that Poyet so-to-speak "merged"
> >> > > two incidents: the fall of the St. Caprais-de-Quinsac meteorite and the
> >> > > harvest scene.
> >> > >
> >> > > A case of ... artistic license?
> >> > >
> >> > > Bernd
> >> > >
> >> > >
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