[meteorite-list] Misabled/ poorly advertized "meteorites"
From: Anne Black <impactika_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:10:40 -0400 (EDT)
Since you asked: "anyone reading this, feel free to speak up and tell
us how this "Murchison"
looks compared to real Murchison."
Here is a picture of Murchison for comparison:
And is a picture of the crust of Murchison:
Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA at aol.com
From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com>
To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Fri, May 31, 2013 8:52 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Misabled/ poorly advertized "meteorites"
I am sorry but this IS NOT Murchison, and the Estherville IS NOT
I emailed you regarding the Murchison and the fact that the photos
an NWA type old carbonaceous chondrite only minutes after you posted to
list, and got no response.
Anyone who has ever laid eyes on Murchison knows that it does not have
varnish on the outside, nor white chondrules and CAI's on a CV3 matrix.
I feel sorry for whoever got burned on that one. You advertised the low
guess it is low because it is not Murchison.
anyone reading this, feel free to speak up and tell us how this
looks compared to real Murchison.
I bought the Estherville which you claim is from American?Meteorite
I assumed?since you advertised and showed a label that it was real, I
reading my email on an iphone while at the Laboratory in ASU, I showed
photo?of the "Murchison" to the people in the lab who?just laughed.
My spider senses were not in order obviously because I?went ahead and
the Estherville.?I received it today, and it is NOT Estherville, I am
certain it is not a meteorite. The crust looks fake, or slaggy. I have
50 pieces of Estherville all from British Museum and Smithsonian,?and
close. Furthemore the lable is nothing more than a printed piece of
I have the Nininger and Huss collections of meteorites books, and
under Nininger is #42, Huss is H230. Again, some homework on my part
caused me to not purchase this piece, but the price was good and I
would sell fast (I bought it in seconds). It is a firm reminder that
too cheap to be true, isn't!
You piece has no number on the stone (
Nininger and Huss both would have matched the number on the label and
on the stone).
And the AML number on the fake label is not matched up to their normal
(yours is (2) 680.501. This is not a Nininger or Huss number
You claim in your email (attached with this one below for all to read),
these pieces have their "passports" IE American Meteorite Laboratory
provenance, yet you deliver to me a fake printed laminated label done
Martin, this is NOT PROVENANCE, this is pretty much outright FRAUD!
I know you have been doing meteorites for a while, and I know Murchison
easily one of the easiest meteorites to identify, so I have to question
going on when such a false piece can pass the hands of such an
This Estherville is not an Estherville, it is not a Nininger or Huss
advertised, and I do not think it is even a meteorite.
I put in a request for refund via paypal, and now I am making the same
I don't know where you got these but you got burned.
I will deliver it by hand in Ensisheim or ship from Germany on the 19th
am back in Europe. Please refund my money and I will close the case
Below is the original ad saying these had AML documentation. I received
printed fake AML label. If you print it, it is NOT am AML label and to
say it is
a document?is a clear fraud!.
today we want to accelerate especially the heartbeat of the lovers of
documented historic specimens,
in setting up for sale two of such, which would be without doubt also
if they wouldn't be accompanied by their passports of provenience, the
labels of the
American Meteorite Laboratory.
The American Meteorite Laboratory (AML) was founded in 1960 in
Colorado by H.H.Nininger's daughter Margaret
and her husband Glenn Huss, to reestablish and continue the work of her
father with his American Meteorite Museum,
which he had finally to shut down for financial reasons in 1953.
The AML had such an outreach in the institutional and private meteorite
scene, that it served even as an eponym for the meteorite dealers of the
following generation, like e.g. the Suisse Meteorite Laboratory and the
Bavarian Meteorite Laboratory.
Instead of giving you here the hundredth instant-biography of Nininger
Huss, we rather like to honor:
The women! Who so undeservedly are standing small and faint behind the
gloriole of their husbands,
who never would have achieved that, they are celebrated for, if there
been the support by the passion, the patience, the knowledge and the
abilities of their wives.(see also post scriptum).
Therefore you get here for reading the obit for Margaret Huss, who died
Now to the exhibits:
Bondoc was one of the largest coups ever of the Niningers.
The story of the adventurous recovery is told in one of Al Mitterling's
Unfortunately the large slices cut from the huge main mass turned out
everything else than stable
and they crumbled and disintegrated to the harder iron nodules, manifold
abundant in Bondoc, in larger silicate inclusions and crumbs of rust.
The AML-Bondoc offered now is pretty massive and stable, looks like to
and belongs to the iron-rich mesosideritic looking specimens, which
be scarcer than the preserved iron nodules and
244 gram it has!
?As you can see, in the last decades it had developed here and there
rust on the cut face.
According to your wishes, we can re-polish it.
(We have let it now as it is, because we know that most
like their specimens to be as original as possible, also to keep the
accordance of the specimen's weight with the given weight on the label).
The second AMLer is a truly wonderful
We guess, that Estherville doesn't need any introduction anymore here
as it is the third largest observed fall of the U.S.
Nevertheless it seems pretty difficult to find nowadays still entire
individuals, better than the also hard to get popular nuggets.
Here to your delight we have now a perfectly intact individual, which
means would be also without the old label a premium collection-piece for
Note that it has not only the thinner rougher fusion crust, but also
and bulgy one with bubbles from outgassing where the silicate
had been molten.
111 grams it has
(and Nininger/Huss/AMM/AML-fans know, that Esthervilles with AML-Labels
so much rarer than the Bondocs).
Bondoc 244g??? ??? $1350
Estherville 111g??? $1387
And for your patience, to have read the advertizing until that point, a
MURCHISON AT BELOW 100$/g
All said about Murchison.
?The recent 5 years it got so sought after, that the standard price,
larger stones, has established at 150$/g
(and even 200-250$/g for minor amounts here and there and on ebay).
you won't get any anymore.
Here now a fragment, naked without crust and grinded on one side,
At $800 with a weight of 8.13grams - which is 98.4$/g.
The label on the back is looking familiar, but we didn't get it, from
it could be.
Maybe you can identify it?? The font is outdated today, print looks
stem from the time, when the printers still had needles.
?Now time to let the games begin!
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Received on Fri 31 May 2013 11:10:40 PM PDT