[meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite

From: wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 13:58:11 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey Adam and list

>Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government.
Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite.

With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third
piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I
have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that
the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it
alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court.

Sonny






-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???


Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with
the BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone
with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and
got variable answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices
into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts. This
included a magnet on a stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter
Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is
that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found
on public land. The only consistent answer I ever got was that
meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial
purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me, the thrill is finding
them,Adam----- Original Message ----- From: <wahlperry at aol.com>To:
<raremeteorites at centurylink.net>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49
AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake
Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter
Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to
recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I
was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM
Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no
problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have
also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have
had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on
State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is
not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite
hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs
this weekend! : )Sonny-----Original Message----- From: Raremeteorites
via Meteorite-list<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:
meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>Sent: Wed, May 21,
2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake
Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect
culturalproperties and turned them into laws. These rules have been
twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority
with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever. I talked at great
length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the
alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their
position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never
be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites
are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many
peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to
theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting
ofseven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles
Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be resold and that they
monitor eBayand other outlets. Four prominent meteorite
collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip. I was personally
threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will leave it at
that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will leave it up
to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences with
the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private
property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There
has been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire
collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their
finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig
on privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember,
the "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites
even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines
which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the
hunting youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been
personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into
areasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one
lookingexert their authority.Adam----- Original Message ----- From:
"JimWooddell via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>To:<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for
clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while
back the stirred up a ruckus. The paper >was a GUIDELINE for area
supervisors> to implement or not. To beclear, they are not rules.
And, the BLM has > failed to issues claimedpermits for> commercial
ventures when ask.>> If you can show me wherethese guidelines have
become rules and have > actually beenimplemented, I'd like to see it.>>
Jim>>>> On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM,Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>>
Hi Jim and All,>>>> Unlessthey predate 1972, meteorites found on public
land cannot be used >>for commercial purposes according to the BLM
interpretations rendering >> them without commercial value. This is
even before the new "laws" >> limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds
a year or less without a >> commercial permit. The interesting thing
is not a single commercial >> permit has ever been issued despite being
applied for.>>>> Sorry forthe bad news,>>>> That is why it so important
to treat private landowners with the utmost >> respect in order to gain
access tounrestricted search areas.>>>> Adam>> -- > Jim
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