[meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)

From: Raremeteorites <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:45:51 -0700
Message-ID: <BB579E7C97AF43DC9A01B58112DB387E_at_HPDESKTOP>

All of the taxpayer's money spent on the shrimp on a treadmill study would
have gone a long way to study meteorites.

A link to my favorite Mantis shrimp:


I guess we know what bureaucrats think is more important. An impact from
space or the jogging habits of a lowly decapod crustacean.

Personally, I have given up all hope that hard-working taxpayers money will
ever be spent wisely.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Verish via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
To: "Sonny Clary" <wahlperry at aol.com>
Cc: "Meteoritecentral List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:07 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was,Re: something
about Las Vegas)

Hi Sonny,

Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearly pointed to
the top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies are
rationed-out, and
why there is a lack of funding for classifying US meteorites. I commiserate
with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in no way am I laying any
guilt on them.
I well understand that no US researcher can come forward as a benefactor in
this current situation. My offer of US chondrite type-specimen was actually
directed to researchers outside of the USA. Again, that was stated in my
article, as well.

Your defense of US geochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this
instance. I don't need to ask their position on this funding matter. It's
well documented.
But maybe we should also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even
outside of the MetSoc. Maybe even outside of the USA. Ask them what they
about us not recording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly
found meteorites. Researchers like those that are studying the rate of
influx and
number of falls per unit area. And other researchers such as those that are
interested in knowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in
vicinity of our astronauts. We should ask all of them.
We should ask all the stakeholders. Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders
as well, because I'm sure they are assuming their tax dollars are being
wisely on protecting them from meteoroids hitting them.
I'm sure all of these various people are counting on us to do our job in
this regard, and not to literally ignore found meteorites.

I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make this realization
and make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older. So, I'll
say it now.
It wasn't that long ago that we, as US meteorite-hunters, were thanking our
lucky stars that we didn't have to deal with all of the stifling regulations
our comrades in Australia and Canada were having to put-up with. But they
made some crucial adjustments in their culture and now those countries are
experiencing a golden age in meteorite-recovery.

It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees.

Bob V.

P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recovery data:

Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6 different
classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired. Where's the beef?
Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10 are
unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired. Still no justification for a
Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66
classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12,
10 in 15.
Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far 56 of
these are classified. >8 unique classes. No one has done a pairing study.
Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers, only 1
classified find. No strewn-field data is published.
Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification. Worlds
only one meteorite dry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded?
There still is no estimate of how many original masses formed all of these
clusters of fragments, or their locations. This is one big fuster cluck.

On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew
 To: raremeteorites at centurylink.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM

 Hi Bob, Adam and List,

>This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to
>write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said,
>"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified."
>Still haven't received any offers


 Stewart Valley TBR plus finds finds,
 Tungston Mountain TBR meteorites/ fragments
 Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites
 Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites
 Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites
 Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments

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