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Re: Monahans auction questions

Geoff, I am unsure if you know or not but Monahans is being auctions by Steve
Arnold. It has been hyped for months now and caused quite a stir. Michael Casper
was bidding for little bits of it recently. How can you say it doesn't matter who
auctions it. Casper has sent many emails to the list voicing his desire to buy it.
Now he is auctioning it? It would seem that either all of us were cut out of the
auction all together. the auction has actually been ongoing for weeks and is still
I was slandered because an accusation was made that was totally unfounded. Here, I
have made no accusations, only posed questions to be answered. They are not
unfounded since I have the evidence in my hands.
I am unsure if you ever participate in auctions, but they NEVER are conducted by
people who are also bidding on the item. anytime this occurs, auctions are
considered to be corrupt.
Michael and Steve were removed for harsh language and calling people names such as
"Thief" etc. I have called no one names at all. So  I have not done anything even
close to what they did.
You keep mentioning an auction which has not happened yet, Why? It is clear that
it will be conducted this way, with the high bidder in control? This is certainly
NOT normal.
Geoff, I understand that you likely have absolutely no interest in this and thus
my email means nothing to you, but if you read the responses by others, you will
see that it disturbs many people.

Geoffcin@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-07-17 15:24:04 EDT, you write:
> <<
>  Hello fellow list members, Today I pose an interesting question, one
>  that should be raised and is perhaps being asked in other meteorite
>  collector's/dealer's homes as I type this.  Today, I received a postcard
>  announcing the upcoming Monahans meteorite auction on July 24th.
>  The postcard reads as follows with nothing added or omitted:
>  A unique auction event.....
>      We invite you to participate in a unique event: the auction of the
>  Monahans, Texas meteorite which was retrieved by seven young men
>  immediately after impact on the evening of March 22 of this year. This
>  extraordinary specimen will be presented exclusively by
>  NaturalHistoryAuction.com at 6 p.m. EST on Friday July 24, 1998 and will
>  close at 12 midnight July 26, 1998. Bids will be accepted by email, fax,
>  and telephone.
>                                              Please register before
>  bidding:
>  NaturalHistory Auction.com
>  Post office Drawer J, Ithaca New York 14851 USA
>  Email: Monahans@naturalhistoryauction.com
>  Phone: 1-607-257-5349 Fax 1-607-266-7904<<
>   It's pretty plain to see that the Monahans meteorite,  as it was stated
> several times before on the list,  is coming up for auction.
> >>This is the information on the postcard word for word.
>  I pose these questions to the list and people involved:
>  1. Who is auctioning off this meteorite? It is quite clear that this
>  auction is now being run by Michael Casper instead of Steve Arnold.<<
>     I ask the question now,  does it matter who is running the auction as long
> as it's fair?
> >>2. Why? How can the current high bidder also run the auction?<<
>  I cant see how the current high bidder be running the auction,  as the
> auction has not happened yet!
> >>3. How can we, the interested buyers, email or phone our bids in to the
>  auctioneer if he is also one of the buyers?<<
>    Easy,  just pick up the phone and dial,  e-mail is a little more involved.
> >>It is not too dificult to see  that the contact information on this
>  card all went to none other than Michael Casper. I just want to know
>  what the true story is with this auction. WE ALL WANT TO KNOW!!! Has the
>  outcome has already been decided on this one.<<
>   I think that's not too difficult,  if  "WE ALL WANT TO KNOW!"  then "WE" can
> give Casper a call.
> >>I have conformed to the list protocol in every way. I have made no
>  personal attacks and I use my real name to pose the questions here,
>  unlike the cowardly Colonel Whithead, who is afraid to contact me about
>  his accusation of conspiracy over the Portales fall.<<
>    Yes it seems that you have cleared all the protocol, so i wouldnt be too
> worried about Art slamming the hammer down on you like he did to Steve Arnold,
> and Mike Casper.
> >>There is no conspiracy there at all , just business, but here, with
> Monahans, it
>  seems that nothing is at it should be and we all should question ALL of
>  those involved as to their intentions.<<
>  So it seem you have your own suspicions about a consperacy....it's that  "we
> all" that bothere me.. are you more than one person?
> >>The card clearly states that the
>  Monahans meteorite is and I quote " This extraordinary specimen will be
>  presented exclusively by NaturalHistoryAuction.com.."
> If Steve Arnold is  the meteorite broker who is auctioning this meteorite for
> the children who own it, how can the high bidder be the one who EXCLUSIVELY
> offers it<<
>   I dont really know this one,  seems you are discribing an aution that has
> not happened yet.
> >> ? Has it already been sold and is now being auctioned again?  If Michael
>  Casper does not own it already and will simply be running the auction,
>  How can it be a fair auction for anyone? Michael has already made his
>  intent quite clear many times that he is prepared to offer BIG money for
>  this meteorite. If he is now running the auction, it seems that the
>  bidders must submit their bids to the high bidder for approval? Any
>  logic here? I am truly confused on this one and invite everyone in the
>  meteorite world to voice their concerns as well because this truly
>  affects us ALL.<<
>    A  fair auction is one in which you know what being auctioned,  and you are
> not prevented from bidding on the items.   That's it!   Who owns the meteorite
> being auctioned has nothing to do with it being a fair auction,  and neither
> does who's auctioning it.   This goes for meteorite, or cars, or beanie babys.
> Your implications that this is going to be an unfair auction,  seems to me to
> disingenuine
> .   You yourself were unfairly accused of conspiring to raise the price of
> Portales,  something I had written to the Col. personal about telling him of
> my discust about his printing slander on the list.   Now I hear these same
> accusation,  or questions of impropriaty from you.
> >> Please reply directly to the list and not me, we all
>  need to hear each other's thoughts on the very important issue at hand.
>  Mike Farmer<<
>  Well there you have it Mike,  my thoughts on the whole thing.   I hope Art
> can live with letting me speak my mind,  but if not,  it was nice chatting
> with you all!
> Regards,
> Geoff Cintron
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