[meteorite-list] re: Campo de Cielo impact - 17 February, 2325 BCE?

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:50:29 2004
Message-ID: <20020424174942.5835.qmail_at_web11605.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all -

You know how we get so many messages from the
meteorite list? I am going to try to reduce the
number by answering Marco, Rodrigo, and Dean all in
one message.

First Marco. It must be remembered that the massive
Rio Cuarto impact (350 megatons, 25 October, 2360 BCE)
occured "near" to Campo de Cielo. Before the Rio
Cuarto impact event, South America was populated by
culturally advanced peoples, who were killed by the
impact. These people would have been in trade contact
with both the Olmec and Maya.

There is little doubt that the Maya were severely
affected by the Rio Cuarto impact.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/373938.asp

and hence their interest less than 35 years later
(2325 BCE) in the area they called "Matawil".

For Rodrigo - The entire area was turned into
grasslands by the Rio Cuarto impact (25 October,
2360?) . That's why the deer were there, and the deer
are why the dogs were there.

For Dean - Bloodthirsty type that I am, I don't want
to own a meteorite that killed only animals, I want a
part of one that killed people. (Though a speck of
Mars would certainly be nice!) That way when someone
tells me that impacts never killed anyone I could pull
my "collection" out of my pocket and bounce it off
their thick skulls.

My assumption is that the blast wave from the impacts
of the initial fragments of Rio Cuarto would have
slowed down the trailing fragments, if they existed,
and that these fragments would have fallen to earth
intact somewhere to the north along the entry flight
line.

Anybody want to take a crack at the mechanics of this,
and try to estimate a search area?

I guess that's it for now -
ep









Sorry, there probably weren't too many people in the
area after 2360 BCE. Now for R





--- marco.langbroek_at_wanadoo.nl wrote:
> Ed Grondine wrote:
>
> > While working through Mayan records for accounts
> of
> > impact events, I found a set of inscriptions which
> > appear to refer to 2 impacts at "Matawil", the
> first
> > major one, a "tzuk", occuring on 25 October, 2360
> BCE,
> > and the second minor one a "conjuring of the gods"
> > occuring on 25 February, 2325 BCE:
> >
> > http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/ce010702.html
> >
> > Is this consistent with the data on Campo de
> Cielo?
> >
> > best wishes -
> > ed
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Yes and no. The date would not be irreconsilable
> (although the match difficult
> to prove, given dating uncertainties), see some
> previous replies. But it would
> surprise me if CdC would be noted by Maya sources,
> given the distance between
> the Mayan empire and CdC. To put it in perspective,
> that would be something
> akin to linking a Viking source from Northern Europe
> mentioning an impact to an
> impact event in central Africa. It would have to
> invoke special pleading in the
> sense of an argument that news of the impact reached
> the Mayan empire after
> cross-cultural transmission over a very large
> distance.
>
> - Marco
>
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