[meteorite-list] Bessey comment

From: Charlie Devine <moonrock25_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:08:21 2004
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Hello John, Bernd, Dave, listmembers,

Thanks John for the link to Norbert's article.
Here is a link to a somewhat negative point of view re the NWA
situation, by the Pelisson brothers:
http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html
In the past, debates among the principals involved (dealers and field
hunters) has more often then not devolved into flame wars on this list.
I think the stance that John, Bernd, and Norbert take can be summarized
as "a meteorite by any other name(or lack thereof) is still a
meteorite". It would be nice, if not a pipe dream, if someone without an
axe to grind would put together a well researched book documenting the
Great Saharan Meteorite Rush. Let all the principals involved state
their case and let history decide what occurred in this golden era of
hot desert meteorites. I know I would eagerly devour such a book. In the
meantime, I am grateful for the rarities I've been able to add to my own
collection thanks to the affordability of NWA meteorites.
Best wishes,
Charlie


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From: "John Divelbiss" <j.divelbiss_at_worldnet.att.net>
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:42:03 -0400

Bernd, Dave and list,

I concur with the comments to date. But I thought it really wasn't meteorite
until the "council" says it is? For now it is just a rock, right.

My gut tells me that science as a whole is missing the boat with the
NWA's...someday the negative positions taken during these times over the
lack information like location, particulars of find, etc. will be a mistake
that can't be fixed. I know this subject has had a lot of press, but from a
simpletons point of view the treatment of the most NWA's not being
legitimate is wrong. I have no clue as to the fix(es) for the problems
perceived, but to "putoff or shun" the likes of Dean and others to get
classifications done in a timely matter is a mistake. Some dealers have
direct connections that make this less of a problem...but they are in the
minority I would think. A concerted effort to improve all aspects of this
problem, including the availability of labs capable of doing such work
should be done before we lose the bulk of potential information on these
great rocks. It is late in the game, but not too late I would hope. There
are many great pieces out here that are orphaned at this point...with owners
wanting to know what it is.

Protesting not to buy or acknowledge this so called junk only reinforces
this stubborn position. Those doing so are adding to the thick crust of the
objectors...limiting science instead of improving it.

>From the sounds of it, fixing the problems (some real, some perceived due to
association) in Morocco are probably the hardest to resolve...and they may
never be. But once the rocks are in hand, why can't the community come to
grips with helping all of us with the classification process.

This is my two cents. I am newbie to all this, collecting only for three
years. I'm sure many smart people out there have more insight. But when you
break it down in my mind, the general treatment of NWA's (and other African
meteorites) is WRONG!

I read an article written in May by fellow list member Norbert Classen that
discusses this issue from another field collectors point of view. I totally
agree and hope others will come forward to help this situation out. The link
is http://www.meteorite.fr/en/news/feature.htm

Thanx for your time and forgive me if you are offended,

John Divelbiss (BL #33)
IMCA2006

PS If no one responds, that's OK with me...it has happened before.
PSS Dean, keep trying for all of us.


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From: "Bernd Pauli HD" <bernd.pauli_at_lehrer.uni-karlsruhe.de>
To: "Radosevich, Dave" <Dave.Radosevich_at_trw.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bessey comment


> An enthusiastic Dave wrote:
>
> > If this is the "worst of the bunch" then the other 39 folks
> > got really really nice specimens. My BL15 is way better than
> > the photo. Mine has it all. It's oriented and shows flow lines,
> > rollover edge, and plenty of thumb prints. A personal thanks to
> > Dean Bessey for bringing this truly nice NWA to all of us (40).
>
>
> Hi Dave, BL-owners and List,
>
> Welcome to the BL-Club :-) Your description says it all! Congrats
> on this breathtaking specimen. I wanted to buy this one because of
> its relatively low weight (which saves money) but "didn't like the
> horizontal scar". Oh, well ...
>
> > I normally dont buy NWA's for reasons we have shared on this list.
>
> They are meteorites without a pedigree ... but does beauty need
> a pedigree? They are meteorites. They have come from the same
> places as their "decent" brethren w i t h a pedigree! My two
> Euro-cents!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bernd (BL #18)
>
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